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11/11/07 17:56
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#146868 - that can vary widely
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Well, Erik, you may have a point.

Depending entirely on where you buy things and what you buy, a wire-wrapped 805x board can be either more costly or less so than a commercially manufactured development board. IIRC, the SILABS board costs about $100, plus freight. COnsidering what it is, that's probably not bad.

If you want to build your own board with an in-circuit programmable MCU, you have to have a few components and the board itself. You also need a few connectors. This is not free stuff unless you get it as samples from the manufacturer, and that's not likely with a wire-wrap board.

One ground-planed ~ 4.5"x 5" (made by Vector) wire wrap board that I've occasionally used costs about $18US. There are others of course. You'd need a socket for the MCU, which probably would be happy in a 40-pin DIP socket. You'd need a 16-pin DIP socket for a MAX232A. You'd need a 14-pin socket for a crystal oscillator or for a 74LS04, wired as I've often suggested, to replace a crystal oscillator, AND you'd need a 14-pin DIP socket and a 14-pin "component carrier" (I think that's what DigiKey calls 'em) so there's a place for passives. If you use additional components, they'll need sockets, too. That should cost about $8US. Of course, there's also the cost of the components. That could also be as much as $8US. I doubt anyone would attempt to wire-wrap a circuit if he didn't already have the means to do so, just as I doubt anyone would attempt building a kit if he didn't already have a DVM, soldering iron, solder, and a power supply.

Now, the board I recommend for people to use if they want to "play" with 805x, is the New Micros NMIY-0031, cosing about $40US. It doesn't offer a programming circuit for ISP MCU's, but it doesn't use internal memory either. There are lots of boards out there. The O/P wants to build something though, despite the fact he first asked for board recommendation.

Wire-wrapping your own board is about the same (US$30-50) in cost as buying that NMIY-0031 board, which has lots of features. The $100 SiLabs board has fewer "features," but much more MCU. It's a tradeoff.

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Low cost 8051 Board For Domestic Use            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try AT89C51RD2 or AT89C51ED2.            01/01/70 00:00      
      This could be the best place to start with            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re:            01/01/70 00:00      
            Cool!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      AT89C51??            01/01/70 00:00      
         first steps            01/01/70 00:00      
            MCP101            01/01/70 00:00      
               datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
               look at the datasheet of the microcontroller            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hardware connections for P89V51RD2            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please explain one by one what you need to do.            01/01/70 00:00      
               this way            01/01/70 00:00      
                  you got it!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dont forget the Boot Loader part of the job            01/01/70 00:00      
                        what bootloader "part of the job"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           there is nothing to do there - here-            01/01/70 00:00      
                              he does NOT need to make a "Boot Loader"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     more            01/01/70 00:00      
                        True :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                           reset pushbutton            01/01/70 00:00      
                           or it can be this way            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you want to buy a BOARD            01/01/70 00:00      
   RST through MCP101 and DTR of RS232            01/01/70 00:00      
      this is not necessary...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not necessary            01/01/70 00:00      
            not for 'V'            01/01/70 00:00      
            NoTouch            01/01/70 00:00      
               That brings us here...            01/01/70 00:00      
   I do not know what you imply by "low cost"            01/01/70 00:00      
      for "home" and hobby use, though...            01/01/70 00:00      
         WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
            hobby...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I doubt that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OK, then maybe 95.3%            01/01/70 00:00      
                     but let's talk about the rest            01/01/70 00:00      
                     We once had a selection of shops ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      $99 is no low cost            01/01/70 00:00      
         low cost is a relative term            01/01/70 00:00      
            Everything in this world is relative            01/01/70 00:00      
               many hobbyist use SILabs devboards            01/01/70 00:00      
                  many hobbyist use SILabs devboards            01/01/70 00:00      
                     check with Mouser            01/01/70 00:00      
                        or Digi-Key            01/01/70 00:00      
                           DigiKey doesn't seem to stock 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                           @#$%! double post! sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      Low cost....aaaa....            01/01/70 00:00      
         comments            01/01/70 00:00      
            beginners and amateurs            01/01/70 00:00      
               :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's not rocket science            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what about the cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that can vary widely            01/01/70 00:00      
                           which?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              look at the available peripherals            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 last you raised this issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    that\'s only half the story            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       The connector on the SiLabs boards is female            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          to some people, that's ambiguous            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Stop yapping and start reading!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                When I ask the question ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Why do you even care            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I care because it has to work.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I knew I had one laying around            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                That is not how I see it            01/01/70 00:00      
   P89V51RD2 system            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      

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