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03/25/06 13:43
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#113057 - And what about EMC?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard said:
First of all, the OP's not proposing to use today's technology, and secondly, if he uses a proper wire-wrap board, every trace will be as short as it can possibly be, and at a consistent distance above a low-impedance ground plane.

He's using 74ALS-TTL, 74HCMOS and 6264/62256 memories, which are much faster today. And the AT28C256 and AT89C52 aren't very slowly either.

And, yes, each trace is as short as possible. But nevertheless the impedances are unpredictable, because the magnetic coupling of wires to solid ground plane is only minimal. A universe away from what can be achieved by a mulitlayer board! Think only about the unavoidable crossings of wires.
The same for the stray capacitances: Even if you route the wires over the ground plane, the distance will always be hugely greater than compared to a multilayer. So, you will suffer from much bigger charge injection into neighboured wires, because you loose the benificial shielding properties of a close solid ground plane.

1996 we had an EMC training, where we were demonstrated the poor EMC-performance of wire wrap designs and bread boards. We learned, that you can hardly succeed the CE radiation test with a wire wrap design, even if you use rather slowly chips.

There's a good reason, why wire wrap designs were used up to the eighties. Just because the price for a prototype multilayer board was astronomically high. A wire wrap design was the only suited methode to build a prototype. But EMC performance was and is lousy.

Kai

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   Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why Not?            01/01/70 00:00      
      wheel-reinvention gone mad!            01/01/70 00:00      
      RoHS?            01/01/70 00:00      
         An EU concern            01/01/70 00:00      
         the other side of ROHS            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reasons - 101 !            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can you buy from India?            01/01/70 00:00      
         leave the guy alone            01/01/70 00:00      
         another illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: another illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wire-wrap??????            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not quite so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         A very bad signal to beginners!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nope ... that's the wrong signal            01/01/70 00:00      
               And what about EMC?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Just exactly who cares about it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Just exactly who cares about it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Where do you buy them?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consumer Vs Comercial            01/01/70 00:00      
                           emphasizing a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   2 RAMs?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I see another "illusion"            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: I see another "illusion"            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schematics !            01/01/70 00:00      
      /EA not connected !            01/01/70 00:00      
         To ground!            01/01/70 00:00      
            U1 = AT89C52            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: /EA not connected !            01/01/70 00:00      
   i see no comment on this            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: i see no comment on this            01/01/70 00:00      
         Very unsafe, it does not give a "long wr            01/01/70 00:00      
            7.37mhz??            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: 7.37mhz??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But why are you reporting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: But why are you reporting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        simple things            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Wouldn't it be more helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the reason mainly is "students"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I agree completely but here's the thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    that is not the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       There's teaching and there's preaching            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that's the crux            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Complaining won't help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                where is the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Not much of the time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      OK, I realized that just after I posted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         We have to think of the children            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            a response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I don't recommend that sort of thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: There's teaching & there's preaching            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: the reason mainly is "students"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    that lazy people exist does not mean you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       RE: that lazy people exist does not mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             RE: OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                risky            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bus contention!!            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Bus contention!!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Run the numbers.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Run the numbers.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Please try a lower clock frequency!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Vcc_2            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: Vcc_2            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it's not the number of IC's            01/01/70 00:00      
                     D1 = 1N4100 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Would that be a 1N4001?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Reason of buffering            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Reason of buffering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     use a scope            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why would that be?            01/01/70 00:00      
   You might want to use a register            01/01/70 00:00      
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