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03/24/06 05:52
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#112930 - Not quite so ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Well, Kai, while I've agreed with you most of the time up until now, I have to differ. While it's true that this smacks of a "legacy" design, and while high-density components such as many people really like, because they have the "special" features, and, while it's true that those high-density components aren't easy to wire-wrap, all my wire-wrap boards have solid power and ground planes with a dry-film solder mask that's easy to remove wherever you want to place a bypass cap. I've had boards of this type made for my own use since before 1980 and, while I stopped selling them in the mid-late '80's, because my favorite board house had shut down due to the cost of environmental compliance, I still use 'em when it suits me. When I run out, I don't know what I'll do. Perhaps I'll have 'em made in China.

I also have to differ with the notion that wire-wrap is unsuited for this sort of circuit. If it were operating at 200 MHz or so, perhaps, though I've shown that's not always the case either. They do tend to radiate at the higher frequencies, though. I've been successfully building wire-wrapped high-speed (>80 MHz) digital circuits since the 'late '70's though, and never had a problem that couldn't be worked out.

Everybody seems to agree that a board such as this is a pretty silly project. Who will buy it? Any controller slow enough to work with an 8255 is too slow to justify a new circuit. Why on earth would anyone want an external interrupt controller for use with a simple-minded chip like this?

If it's for development use, it should leave the internal resources of the MCU avaiable for development, hence, shouldn't use the serial port(s), timers, etc, for support of the tools. That means it needs an external serial channel, baud rate generator, and timebase. It's bad enough that it chews up two of the availble parallel ports for external memory. That's actually another reason the old-style chips with <64KB of internal FLASH and <64KB of internal RAM shouldn't be used in a "new" circuit unless one's sure one will not need the entire range of RAM.

The other thing to keep in mind is that a board with most of these features on board is available and has been for about a decade, in the form of the NMIY-0031 board costing about $30 assembled, tested, and complete with a monitor PROM. It's not alone.

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TopicAuthorDate
Help me - 8052 SBC project !            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why Not?            01/01/70 00:00      
      wheel-reinvention gone mad!            01/01/70 00:00      
      RoHS?            01/01/70 00:00      
         An EU concern            01/01/70 00:00      
         the other side of ROHS            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reasons - 101 !            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can you buy from India?            01/01/70 00:00      
         leave the guy alone            01/01/70 00:00      
         another illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: another illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wire-wrap??????            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not quite so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         A very bad signal to beginners!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nope ... that's the wrong signal            01/01/70 00:00      
               And what about EMC?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Just exactly who cares about it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Just exactly who cares about it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Where do you buy them?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consumer Vs Comercial            01/01/70 00:00      
                           emphasizing a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   2 RAMs?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I see another "illusion"            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: I see another "illusion"            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schematics !            01/01/70 00:00      
      /EA not connected !            01/01/70 00:00      
         To ground!            01/01/70 00:00      
            U1 = AT89C52            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: /EA not connected !            01/01/70 00:00      
   i see no comment on this            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: i see no comment on this            01/01/70 00:00      
         Very unsafe, it does not give a "long wr            01/01/70 00:00      
            7.37mhz??            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: 7.37mhz??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But why are you reporting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: But why are you reporting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        simple things            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Wouldn't it be more helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the reason mainly is "students"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I agree completely but here's the thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    that is not the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       There's teaching and there's preaching            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that's the crux            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Complaining won't help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                where is the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Not much of the time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      OK, I realized that just after I posted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         We have to think of the children            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            a response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I don't recommend that sort of thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: There's teaching & there's preaching            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: the reason mainly is "students"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    that lazy people exist does not mean you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       RE: that lazy people exist does not mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             RE: OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                risky            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bus contention!!            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Bus contention!!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Run the numbers.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Run the numbers.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Please try a lower clock frequency!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Vcc_2            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: Vcc_2            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it's not the number of IC's            01/01/70 00:00      
                     D1 = 1N4100 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Would that be a 1N4001?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Reason of buffering            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Reason of buffering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     use a scope            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why would that be?            01/01/70 00:00      
   You might want to use a register            01/01/70 00:00      
   8255: RIP            01/01/70 00:00      

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