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01/23/07 00:32
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#131231 - Jan, I think you missed the point
Responding to: ???'s previous message
in your http://www.8052.com/forum/read.phtml?id=131082 you address questions of testing passives, regulators, etc, when what's needed is a generalized test of the 805x MCU and internal and external memory associated with it, and the internal facilities, i.e. serial ports, counter/timers, and parallel port pins. I'm not suggesting that one test all the external hardware, but, rather, one verify that the device, the MCU, have the ability to address its external hardware if there is any. After all, I'm referring to hardware that's just been received, and hasn't been put into stock yet. One can test random samples, or one can test all of the parts, but one doesn't want to end up in a situation like mine, where some parts that were accepted as "probably OK" from a distributor years ago and are now needed but half a dozen of the first ten parts don't work in the application for which they were purchased.

The first thing that should disturb one is the fact that some behave one way, and other behave differently. The second is that some function in a sound application while others don't.

The purpose of incoming inspection is to prevent the distributor from foisting his rubbish off on you. If you don't care about that, i.e. if you're willing to risk spending hours, days, or weeks figuring out why a replacement part, or a new installation doesn't function as expected, then you can probably skip incoming inspection. If you think it's adequate to "try out" a couple of samples, then that's probably valid. However, I'm currently rethinking my long-outdated policy of more-or-less trusting distributors, with whom I've never been particularly happy anyway, and behaving more along the lines of "once-bitten, twice-shy," as the saying goes.

What's more, it would be worthwhile, IMHO, to have a tool by means of which one could ascertain whether a given specimen of a device was in good health.

Since CMOS 805x's are static, I'm persuaded that it would be possible to collect samples of the pin states on the device and compare them with what was expected, i.e. establish a set of test vectors and use them in that mode. Internals can be checked in this way, too, by jamming instructions to cause the MCU to cough up its internal state. This can settle questions about whether the MCU is the cause of the trouble, but it won't be a 2 ms test.



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805x system self-test            01/01/70 00:00      
   erk            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... it seems to me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not That            01/01/70 00:00      
            Clearly if the CPU is knackered            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  depending on application...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     let me reframe the question ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        do you want to do the manufacturer's job?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           don't get me wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No, it's not his job ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OF COURSE you do            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't know which disty's you do biz with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why? what? when? how?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where you sit determines what you see.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RC reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    re smoke - I just realize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       5 Volts can produce smoke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Why focus on smoke? Have you missed the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 nope ... not that simple            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    but it sounds exactly so...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I've tried a MAX1232 ... is that good enough?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          pushbutton reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             pushbutton            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   NO!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      some options            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         That' not exactly the case ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            weird parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Too bad I didn\'t know about your interest earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  your test subjects.... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     under other circumstances ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Jan, I think you missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        OH            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Digikey and Mouser aren't "normal" disty's            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You have a very low opinion of distributors, is th            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes I do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    nope            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Your test program            01/01/70 00:00      
      waitaminute ... I didn't say I'd written it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well...            01/01/70 00:00      
            never used a '320.            01/01/70 00:00      
               So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I\'ve built 805x stuff since the \'70\'s ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            aackk! it double-posted again            01/01/70 00:00      
   a real example            01/01/70 00:00      
      Testing 8051s            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm just out to find stuff that's "broken"            01/01/70 00:00      
         how did you come to that figure?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fault coverage figure            01/01/70 00:00      

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