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01/19/07 17:55
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#131123 - You have a very low opinion of distributors, is th
Responding to: ???'s previous message
As for your remark about saving $0.17 on a $0.20 component, well, isn't that a worthwhile effort?
I know of no '51 derivative that sells for $0.20 and you, constantly, refere to previsous statements and this thread IS about testing '51s.

I remember that you once said that you didn't need to test LCD's beyond the functions that you use in your application. Well, that's probably true if all you care about is "getting them out the door" since that will suffice for a demonstration. If several functions fail, however, isn't the entire device broken? Would you ship a defective device in your product? If some of the bits don't fail until it's had a chance to warm up, aren't you concerned it will have some effect? Would you ship a product when the carry doesn't work just because you don't use it in the current code? What if the next field-fix requires it?
apples and oranges you refer to the carry in a LCD (which I do not use any of).
To the point: if a display works in my system before and after "it's had a chance to warm up" why would I spend time and money on testing whether the "storage for oddball characters you create yourself" works or not, since I do not, and never will, use it.

You have a very low opinion of distributors, is that reflected by your use of surplus you referred to a while ago? (was it LCDs?)

I have had NONE ZERO NADA problems with one component in 1,000,000 failing NO such failure have cost enough to justify extensive pre-testing; HOWEVER I have had very costly replacements because of bad designs by others. The likelyhood of a costly 'accident' being due to design is far greater than it being due to the component.

Go ahead, 'design' without adhereing to min/max temp etc and then blame the component manufacturer. This exactly happened with a 'design' done by someone using 'typical' values from a datasheet, getting by with it for a couple of years and then BOOM the 'design' failed - of course it was the new components - notthe design, the fact they were within min/max did not matter.

Erik

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805x system self-test            01/01/70 00:00      
   erk            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... it seems to me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not That            01/01/70 00:00      
            Clearly if the CPU is knackered            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  depending on application...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     let me reframe the question ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        do you want to do the manufacturer's job?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           don't get me wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No, it's not his job ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OF COURSE you do            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't know which disty's you do biz with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why? what? when? how?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where you sit determines what you see.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RC reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    re smoke - I just realize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       5 Volts can produce smoke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Why focus on smoke? Have you missed the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 nope ... not that simple            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    but it sounds exactly so...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I've tried a MAX1232 ... is that good enough?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          pushbutton reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             pushbutton            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   NO!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      some options            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         That' not exactly the case ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            weird parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Too bad I didn\'t know about your interest earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  your test subjects.... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     under other circumstances ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Jan, I think you missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        OH            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Digikey and Mouser aren't "normal" disty's            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You have a very low opinion of distributors, is th            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes I do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    nope            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Your test program            01/01/70 00:00      
      waitaminute ... I didn't say I'd written it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well...            01/01/70 00:00      
            never used a '320.            01/01/70 00:00      
               So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I\'ve built 805x stuff since the \'70\'s ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            aackk! it double-posted again            01/01/70 00:00      
   a real example            01/01/70 00:00      
      Testing 8051s            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm just out to find stuff that's "broken"            01/01/70 00:00      
         how did you come to that figure?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fault coverage figure            01/01/70 00:00      

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