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01/20/07 17:29
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#131171 - I've tried a MAX1232 ... is that good enough?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I considered this as a possibility, and tried a MAX1232. It made no difference at all, i.e. the parts that worked with the Intel reset circuit continued to work, and the ones that didn't, continued to fail.

These "original" Intel (and Intel-licensed) NMOS/HMOS parts worked fine, to the satisfaction of the industry, for over a decade before "reset" IC's became popular. As Erik has suggested, the reset issue was not an issue before the days of FLASH program store.

I've tried these parts in a circuit that provides a reset of exactly 24 clock cycles (counting from an external oscillator that drives the MCU, after 64K counts from the application of Vcc > ~4.85 volts followed by the first oscillation at the oscillator input to the MCU. A crude comparator (LM311) senses the rise of Vcc against a reference zener, then gates on the oscillator to a 16-bit counter, the terminal count of which produces a reset pulse that's 25 clock cycles long, which is slightly longer than the required two instruction cycles long as specified, and only then is the RESET dropped.

That didn't work any better than the RC reset either. What's more, they start to run on power-up, and only the schmidt-triggered pushbutton reset causes the devices to fail.

Whether this means these devices are defective or not, I'm not planning to use them. I suspect they were routed to me from STC or one of the several disk drive makers up north of here, who didn't want to fool with 'em.

I suspect that these RESET issues are either FLASH-related, or ATMEL-related. I don't know whether Philips or other MFG's parts have reset issues. I won't have the ATMEL problem, and the Philips, Siemens, and Signetics parts I have in house function fine with a 10 uF cap to Vcc and an 8K2 pulldown. The Dallas parts have the reset and watchdog IC built in, so no external help is needed. Frankly, I doubt that so long a reset is needed except while the power/oscillator relationship settles. Every other MCU that I've used has done fine with a much shorter reset pulse.

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805x system self-test            01/01/70 00:00      
   erk            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... it seems to me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not That            01/01/70 00:00      
            Clearly if the CPU is knackered            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  depending on application...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     let me reframe the question ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        do you want to do the manufacturer's job?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           don't get me wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No, it's not his job ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OF COURSE you do            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't know which disty's you do biz with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why? what? when? how?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where you sit determines what you see.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RC reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    re smoke - I just realize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       5 Volts can produce smoke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Why focus on smoke? Have you missed the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 nope ... not that simple            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    but it sounds exactly so...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I've tried a MAX1232 ... is that good enough?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          pushbutton reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             pushbutton            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   NO!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      some options            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         That' not exactly the case ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            weird parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Too bad I didn\'t know about your interest earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  your test subjects.... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     under other circumstances ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Jan, I think you missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        OH            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Digikey and Mouser aren't "normal" disty's            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You have a very low opinion of distributors, is th            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes I do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    nope            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you have a new lot of parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Your test program            01/01/70 00:00      
      waitaminute ... I didn't say I'd written it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well...            01/01/70 00:00      
            never used a '320.            01/01/70 00:00      
               So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I\'ve built 805x stuff since the \'70\'s ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            aackk! it double-posted again            01/01/70 00:00      
   a real example            01/01/70 00:00      
      Testing 8051s            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm just out to find stuff that's "broken"            01/01/70 00:00      
         how did you come to that figure?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fault coverage figure            01/01/70 00:00      

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