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06/05/06 20:16
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#117791 - are you trolling for a food-fight again?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
We had this argument a year or more ago, and you KNOW I prefer monitors for their real-time capabilities over ICE's which, from where I sit, are big clunky pieces of hardware that get in the way more than anything else. I've got an ICE-51 for the MDS that was avaiable back when the 805x was a pup, and I used it a few times, and have held onto it since then in case someone like the Smithsonian Institution would value it some day. I've got an ICE for the HC-11. I've got an ICE for the 8085. I have given away others. I don't like 'em. I know what they are. They just get in the way, and even the latest of them can't do real-time analysis any better or more easily than a monitor. I'm sure you've noticed that JTAG isn't capable of reporting what's going on in dozens of registers in real-time, so you have to hook up your logic analyzer and go to work. I'd rather do that with a monitor than a $50K or $5 piece of hardware that contains someone else's compromises.

When I was discussing the very thing you mention, i.e. the need for large table space, with someone else, I recommended he consider one of the extended code-space parts because it's no secret that there's no advantage in swapping chunks of memory when it can all be present at once. It IS possible though, and can be called into play if needed. Moving data into RAM is handy if you modify it several times before writing it back into FLASH. Of course, it could also be NVRAM.

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TopicAuthorDate
8051 optimal PCB setup            01/01/70 00:00      
   program ROM?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I object to the language            01/01/70 00:00      
   Simplest            01/01/70 00:00      
   simplest SBC schematic:            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try AT89S52            01/01/70 00:00      
   in addition            01/01/70 00:00      
      whyy not go all the way            01/01/70 00:00      
         P89C668?            01/01/70 00:00      
             but the 66x has (from memory)            01/01/70 00:00      
               So what's V mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why 'V' I do not know, but they have a V            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Soft Ice            01/01/70 00:00      
                     V, + and -            01/01/70 00:00      
                        in those rare cases            01/01/70 00:00      
                  V vs C            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hasn't anybody produced a part with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sadly, it's not a "part"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a faulty sort            01/01/70 00:00      
                     still no "normal" part            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it also wouldn't take much to build one            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it's a rare case            01/01/70 00:00      
                              True, fer shurr ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 all my designs is one of 2            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I was just discussing that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       ROM RAM swap            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          are you trolling for a food-fight again?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             No, i DO not know, That does not mean I            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Just a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   any 51's?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      No ... I was referring to UBICOM            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         easy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            you'd think they'd do it, then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               they do            01/01/70 00:00      
            the fattest '51            01/01/70 00:00      
               the fattest '51            01/01/70 00:00      
                  dunno            01/01/70 00:00      

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