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03/15/06 16:16
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#112244 - Then use DEDICATED ASICS
Responding to: ???'s previous message
[edit} OOPS, mindlessly I have been making statements thinking FPGA, the cost differentials below are way more re ASICs. In ASIC volumes it is even sillier to go for "universlity". I think Richards estimate of $2 million is a bit high, I think one million will do. The trend these days is moving towards FPGSAs simply because of that cost. Attila, does you ASIC designer pay the added half mil if there is a small timing error or such?[end edit]

In the reality we plan to use ASIC for more than 10 different applications, and one of the application is where we for sure don't need UART. And from these produts we plan to sell millions of pieces.
You keep on about not needing the UART in ONE of the apps, That must mean that you need it in the remainding 9. So, to save $0.10 in one app, you are willing to add $2 to 9 other apps - that would not make sense even to a two year old.
Use DEDICATED ASICS the idea of an ASIC is to match one project perfectly and you should FORGET about "it would be nice if we could use it for other things". If you sell "millions of pieces" the cost of developing an ASIC will "disappear". If you want something "universal" that is what the uC makers sell and not an ASIC app.

I have never heard about any "universality" (ASIC PC board or whatever) wanted from anything above, say, 10.000 units.

Erik

List of 49 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
MONITOR for ASIC with 8051 IP core            01/01/70 00:00      
   replacing serial by xxx            01/01/70 00:00      
   JTAG?            01/01/70 00:00      
      should have come to me            01/01/70 00:00      
      JTAG money talks...            01/01/70 00:00      
         shome mishtake sureley            01/01/70 00:00      
         External UART            01/01/70 00:00      
      JTAG != debug port            01/01/70 00:00      
         Debug via JTAG            01/01/70 00:00      
            Does it make sense?            01/01/70 00:00      
            debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
               a readable version of the above            01/01/70 00:00      
                  coments            01/01/70 00:00      
                     won't we make it a separate thread?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        screw the wiki, who but you have been th            01/01/70 00:00      
   ASIC as in ASIC or FPGA?            01/01/70 00:00      
      How can I forward to other interface?            01/01/70 00:00      
         stick an IIC port on            01/01/70 00:00      
         what is not clear?            01/01/70 00:00      
            re: replacing setial by xxx            01/01/70 00:00      
               von Neumann RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I get it...I'll have to play with FlashM            01/01/70 00:00      
                     IAP, ISP, von Neumann and others            01/01/70 00:00      
                        STOP, ! it is NOT            01/01/70 00:00      
                           NOR?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              oh well, wrong again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 a multiple-post Re to Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    replies            01/01/70 00:00      
               von Neumann RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
         Sure about the volume?            01/01/70 00:00      
            There is something VERY strange here: T            01/01/70 00:00      
               indeed VERY strange            01/01/70 00:00      
                  could it be            01/01/70 00:00      
                     maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Mea culpa ! WRONG EXAMPLE!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Then use DEDICATED ASICS            01/01/70 00:00      
                        One more detail just to get it right            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You haven't done the homework yet            01/01/70 00:00      
                     For that qty modify a standard chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Orders of Magnitude            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Re: Orders of Magnitude            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That may be a good per-piece cost            01/01/70 00:00      
   missing details            01/01/70 00:00      
      this is just a joke            01/01/70 00:00      
         ASIC size            01/01/70 00:00      
      Still price consideration problems            01/01/70 00:00      
   now paralell posted            01/01/70 00:00      
      End result and solution!            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrong sorry            01/01/70 00:00      

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