| ??? 03/09/06 13:20 Read: times |
#111692 - thin ground? Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Erik Malund said:
[...] but looking at your pictures, it seems you have committed a one layer cardinal sin. I do not see the ground traces being any heavier than the signal traces. Ehm? What I see on the pictures is that the Cu layer is etched away only between the traces, leaving biiig sheets of Cu where there are no traces; and I assume those are all ground... But the trouble with 1layer and the ground return is, that the ground, although wide, go necessarily round and round, creating big loops and common ground resistance paths. For power supply, a slight remedy can be made using heavy filtering, a lot of small caps scattered all over the are, which shorts the HF current. For the signal return, if critical points can be easily identified, it could possibly be cured by placing a ground wire in parallel (physically) with the signal trace; or cutting the signal trace and replacing it by a thin coaxial cable or maybe a twisted pair. All this not for production, but for demonstration of what may go wrong on the single-layer. I am not a HF/EMC expert and I don't do HW other than hobby, so correct me if I am wrong. Jan Waclawek |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| AD9835 noise problem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| noise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Recommendations | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| quick fix? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Maybe | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Transmission lines | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 5MHz? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Spectrum analyser | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| It's ground noise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ground noise and groundhogs | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Harmonics as well | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| comments | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Why separate the analog & digital gnds? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Splitting the ground plane | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Evaluation board | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| thin ground? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| that is why you use star | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ground wire in parallel | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| and a twisted pair? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Would do! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| does not exist, Jan if you used twisted | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The clock signal? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| oh well | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Indeed | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| is there a way... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Hardly | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| unfortunately not | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| twisted pair | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| is that not obvious | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No ground traces, but patches | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| the bane of many | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Why 1 or 2 layers | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| it's nice! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No Secrets | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| DALO 2M professional | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| UV ink Problem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Mixed method? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No Need for DALO | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| CE | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Single step mode | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| If you want... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| mmm | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Dreaming | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| LAYOUT | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 100nF caps | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 100nF ? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ok | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Some checks | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| It's my daily job! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Unfortunately, no | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| simulate double-layer | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Seperate Analog and Digital Supply | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| RLC-filters don't help? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| separate | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| And... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Seperate Supplies | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Evaluation board | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No not that one... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Curly | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| OT: Hair | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| lets have pictures | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No no... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| http://www.k6ese.com/Mar_Vista_Shack.htm | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| but it is relevant | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No wonder... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| waveforms | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Link to DDS page | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Add the second stage... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Filter components | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| clock | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| What clock | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Sampling theorem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| But... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Can't find it now | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ground of probe? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| even better | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Good trick! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| same point | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Both | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I feel strong now! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Funny! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Depends... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Oh Dear | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| NO analog outputs | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| since there is no schematics presented | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Publishing failed | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| then give a link to an ORCAD drawing | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Schematics | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| corrections | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Big test | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Try This Schematic... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| one more problem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I miss the second 300R resistor | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Terminating Resistor. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Answers | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| University of Kai | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Keep us informed... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| of course | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Update | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Eager to know | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Me too | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Autoreload | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Current source output | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Electronic World Feb 06 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Superb! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No surprise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| AD9835 Cycles | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Solid Ground Plane Update!!!!! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
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| Low frequency | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| SLIGHt correction | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| OPA27? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Cross talk on PCB tracks | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Have a look at this plot | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Interesting question | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
further interesting question | 01/01/70 00:00 |