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08/11/06 15:16
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 		 #122061 - yes, and no
Responding to: ???'s previous message
In fact, the "parallel programmer" which used to determine the voltages and the timing, is simply built into the chip

I know that, but visualize the following hypothetical (but not unlikely) case:
The 'brilliant' chip designers have not forseen that anyone would be stupid enough to write the next byte before that 'ready' bit came true. Some "kitchen table programmer designer" "tested" that it was not needed to test the ready bit and published his 'tested' design. Ignoring the 'wait for ready' causes the programming pulse to be shortened because the chip designer did not idiot proof the design of the programming circuitry.

The above is, as stated, hypothetical, and I have no intention of diving into Atmel programming to find a case which is not hypoothetical. The fact is that you can create unforseen consequences by not following instructions to the letter.

Erik


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AT89s52 error with programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
   the 'weekly' question get the weekly answer            01/01/70 00:00      
   Add some pull up resistors (4.7K\'s) on LS device.            01/01/70 00:00      
      risque business            01/01/70 00:00      
   Home made JTAG            01/01/70 00:00      
      It is so refreshing to see thing like this instead            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tested!            01/01/70 00:00      
            have you 'tested' that the flash caps are fully            01/01/70 00:00      
               Atmel does that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think you are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes, and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Bah, shoot that designer :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not the chip designer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 JTAG x Flash Data Retention            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    nope            01/01/70 00:00      
   Tnx for answers...!            01/01/70 00:00      
   89s52 programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Only LS chips            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is the mail            01/01/70 00:00      
            here is world´s end            01/01/70 00:00      
               However far it from nowhere, I am sure you have ma            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can buy here!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     he can do it himself...            01/01/70 00:00      
            What more fast than 9 ns?!            01/01/70 00:00      
               I do not understand. What I said is not to find s            01/01/70 00:00      
         Then stop doing in electronics!            01/01/70 00:00      
   re: AT89S52 error            01/01/70 00:00      
   Somebody test buffer CD4010?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the CD40 is sloooooooow compared to HC            01/01/70 00:00      
         What more fast than 9 ns?!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not the speed is reason only            01/01/70 00:00      
   But and the pull ups in buffer´s out?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Does that suggest anything to you?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Type "74VHC244" into the search window            01/01/70 00:00      
         show the calculations            01/01/70 00:00      
      Schematic of programmer using 74LS244            01/01/70 00:00      
         Circuit that i am using            01/01/70 00:00      
            the very reason            01/01/70 00:00      
               Right...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  have you conmsidered a 'radical' approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RX2...?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Rx2            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this one            01/01/70 00:00      
               a full circle            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Time for a decision...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I did it...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Can\'t you order the parts by mail?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the old STUPID "It is tested"            01/01/70 00:00      
         Gee, another BS answer from Erik.            01/01/70 00:00      
            I can BE QUITE specific about what I post            01/01/70 00:00      
         "tested" does not mean tested            01/01/70 00:00      
            and even then ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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