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08/10/06 21:25
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 		 #122001 - risque business
Responding to: ???'s previous message
If all you have is 74LS devices you probably can make it work

I can just see the debugging nightmare that end up with "oh, this piece of crap, the so called 'programmer' missed a bit".

Another much more important issue is that flash a) is based on capacitors and b) does not have an infinite 'retention time'. These two facts show that it is possible to charge a flash cell just enough to make it pass the blasted worthless "testing" that every idiot and his brother believe in and drop below the required charge one week after the 'programmed' thingy is shipped.

Once more:
"testing does NOT prove the abscence of bugs, it proves the abscence of known bugs"

Erik

List of 53 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
AT89s52 error with programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
   the 'weekly' question get the weekly answer            01/01/70 00:00      
   Add some pull up resistors (4.7K\'s) on LS device.            01/01/70 00:00      
      risque business            01/01/70 00:00      
   Home made JTAG            01/01/70 00:00      
      It is so refreshing to see thing like this instead            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tested!            01/01/70 00:00      
            have you 'tested' that the flash caps are fully            01/01/70 00:00      
               Atmel does that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think you are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes, and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Bah, shoot that designer :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not the chip designer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 JTAG x Flash Data Retention            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    nope            01/01/70 00:00      
   Tnx for answers...!            01/01/70 00:00      
   89s52 programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Only LS chips            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is the mail            01/01/70 00:00      
            here is world´s end            01/01/70 00:00      
               However far it from nowhere, I am sure you have ma            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can buy here!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     he can do it himself...            01/01/70 00:00      
            What more fast than 9 ns?!            01/01/70 00:00      
               I do not understand. What I said is not to find s            01/01/70 00:00      
         Then stop doing in electronics!            01/01/70 00:00      
   re: AT89S52 error            01/01/70 00:00      
   Somebody test buffer CD4010?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the CD40 is sloooooooow compared to HC            01/01/70 00:00      
         What more fast than 9 ns?!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not the speed is reason only            01/01/70 00:00      
   But and the pull ups in buffer´s out?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Does that suggest anything to you?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Type "74VHC244" into the search window            01/01/70 00:00      
         show the calculations            01/01/70 00:00      
      Schematic of programmer using 74LS244            01/01/70 00:00      
         Circuit that i am using            01/01/70 00:00      
            the very reason            01/01/70 00:00      
               Right...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  have you conmsidered a 'radical' approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RX2...?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Rx2            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this one            01/01/70 00:00      
               a full circle            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Time for a decision...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I did it...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Can\'t you order the parts by mail?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the old STUPID "It is tested"            01/01/70 00:00      
         Gee, another BS answer from Erik.            01/01/70 00:00      
            I can BE QUITE specific about what I post            01/01/70 00:00      
         "tested" does not mean tested            01/01/70 00:00      
            and even then ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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