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01/24/06 16:26
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#108198 - Let's not start a jihad here.
Responding to: ???'s previous message
What I'm after is the items to which you refer in the doc's. I've looked at those doc's, too, and have never gotten the impression that the Dallas "ultra" high-speed MCU's are pipelined to any greater extent than the standard 805x core. You're right, of course, in that it would seem likely if not essential that it be pipelined in order to achieve the performance level they advertise.

If you have some specific example, or some specific reference, on which you base your assumption that there's extensive pipelining, I'd like to investigate it, as time allows, just as an exercise in clarifying the already quite muddy waters.

I'm assuming that your caution about pipleline-induced reduction in performance due to stalls resulting from branch not taken, interrupts, or other such conditions is because you figure it is a proprtionally greater delay than one would encounter with a standard core.

Perhaps you're right, but until it's investigated thoroughly, it will remain folklore. If you have an example of a code sequence that you think will be proportionally longer than in a standard 805x, perhaps it will be worth giving it a try and taking a pictuer with a logic analyzer. I don't think it would be particularly burdensome to give that a try.

Nobody expects the DS89C4x0 series to perform at exactly 12x the rate of the 805x, just as nobody expects the standard 805x to execute code at 1 MIPS when operated at 12 MHz. It's hard to execute code using only one-byte instructions. With a single-clocker, each multi-byte instruction takes significantly longer than a single byte instruction, just as you'd anticipate. If you think the mfg's claim is grossly exaggerated, then let's explore this fact with some empirical testing. If you have a code sequence that you think will be a great deal slower than it would be on a standard 805x core, scaled to the clock, of course, then let's give it a look.

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Page Mode, anyone?            01/01/70 00:00      
   benefits            01/01/70 00:00      
   got curious, could'nt find "ultra" just            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ulta            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'd love to see more "ultra"            01/01/70 00:00      
            I found it quick enough            01/01/70 00:00      
      Link to manual            01/01/70 00:00      
   high - Ok, ultra - no way            01/01/70 00:00      
      why ultra            01/01/70 00:00      
         page mode            01/01/70 00:00      
      Apparently there were grand plans...            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are some advantages            01/01/70 00:00      
            they don't fill all amateur needs            01/01/70 00:00      
               not all old app's are hobby jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Name me one case, outside amateurs where            01/01/70 00:00      
                     inhouse special devices            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Here's one, but where there's one ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               One advantage...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Commercial DIP applications            01/01/70 00:00      
            at the other end of the scale            01/01/70 00:00      
            Comments on DS89C4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sasha's comments.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Architecture            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Architecture ... there's the rub            01/01/70 00:00      
                        hardware library            01/01/70 00:00      
                           hardware library?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Hardware Library!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 How could I have missed that ???            01/01/70 00:00      
   In fact you could            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hazards in pipelined processors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Page Mode - DS'4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
      Say ... are you the same Phil Gallo who            01/01/70 00:00      
         No .. Not the same fellow            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry Mr. Fagin            01/01/70 00:00      
            ... it was a typergeographical error ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Roll your own..... maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     an old reference            01/01/70 00:00      
               DS'420 Pipeline            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'd figured that as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I am pretty sure if you look            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Be specific, please            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oh I am sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Let's not start a jihad here.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              there is documentation of a pipeline in            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 to pipeline or not to pipeline            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 maybe so, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    when is a question a conclusion?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       What's a DS4?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          oops, got caouht up in the hype a DS3xx            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pipeline Ref - Electronic Design            01/01/70 00:00      
                     hummm....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, it's a 4-stage pipeline ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and it's somewhat dated            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the common approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Where is "the bible" published?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    UART modes 2 and 3 "the bible" chapter 3            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The Bible            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Intel Documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks for coming up with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Erik's link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          go to links            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks! That's not what I expected            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Identical ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Philips and Intel            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   License History            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      foundation document            01/01/70 00:00      
   branch prediction            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe, as an intellectual exercise, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         ah well.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            it's clearly worth doing            01/01/70 00:00      

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