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01/20/06 20:22
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#107926 - There are some advantages
Responding to: ???'s previous message
While it may be true that the Silabs parts are faster, since they don't allow external memory access, and, most of all, because they don't drop into a DIP40 socket, they don't fill all needs.

The DS89C4x0's allow execution rate changes, specifically, external memory cycle length changes, under software control. This means that I can execute code from internal flash at one rate, from external program space at a different rate, necessarily because of the address setup requirements, and accessing internal xdata memory at another rate. This is interesting in cases where the external memory map is used for slow peripherals, e.g. a 100 ns USB interface, and, as I'm presently studying, an FDC at ~400ns. Performance can be optimized by changing the cycle stretch factors under software control. Sadly, the MCU doesn't have a WAIT line, so synchronization with external hardware can be tricky.

I certainly agree with P. Gallo's comments about how page mode can be used, but it apparently isn't in wide use.

These MCU's are in full production, so they should be readily available.

The 2001 version of the 89C420 was troubled with a few bugs, the most notable of which was the inability to perform in-application programming of its flash memory. It was capable of being programmed with its bootloader, though, so no fancy programmer was needed. Also, it was readily capable of executing code at 50 MHz, though it was found that it could not reliably do so with code in its internal FLASH. If you load code into its 1KB internal XRAM, then reconfigure it so it's mapped into program space, you can run at full speed, though.

For me, the main benefit in these MCU's is the high speed, executing one instruction byte per clock tick, while residing on the standard 805x 40-pin DIP package. Running at 12x the "normal" rate while residing in the same physical hardware environment allows for lots of enhancements without any hardware mod's.

Those page modes interest me, since they permit faster execution from external memory, but (a) they require different hardware, since the address/data steering is different, and (b) I haven't seen lots of applications for the two page modes. I'm curious how, if at all, people have used these modes.

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Page Mode, anyone?            01/01/70 00:00      
   benefits            01/01/70 00:00      
   got curious, could'nt find "ultra" just            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ulta            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'd love to see more "ultra"            01/01/70 00:00      
            I found it quick enough            01/01/70 00:00      
      Link to manual            01/01/70 00:00      
   high - Ok, ultra - no way            01/01/70 00:00      
      why ultra            01/01/70 00:00      
         page mode            01/01/70 00:00      
      Apparently there were grand plans...            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are some advantages            01/01/70 00:00      
            they don't fill all amateur needs            01/01/70 00:00      
               not all old app's are hobby jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Name me one case, outside amateurs where            01/01/70 00:00      
                     inhouse special devices            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Here's one, but where there's one ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               One advantage...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Commercial DIP applications            01/01/70 00:00      
            at the other end of the scale            01/01/70 00:00      
            Comments on DS89C4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sasha's comments.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Architecture            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Architecture ... there's the rub            01/01/70 00:00      
                        hardware library            01/01/70 00:00      
                           hardware library?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Hardware Library!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 How could I have missed that ???            01/01/70 00:00      
   In fact you could            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hazards in pipelined processors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Page Mode - DS'4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
      Say ... are you the same Phil Gallo who            01/01/70 00:00      
         No .. Not the same fellow            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry Mr. Fagin            01/01/70 00:00      
            ... it was a typergeographical error ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Roll your own..... maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     an old reference            01/01/70 00:00      
               DS'420 Pipeline            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'd figured that as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I am pretty sure if you look            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Be specific, please            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oh I am sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Let's not start a jihad here.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              there is documentation of a pipeline in            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 to pipeline or not to pipeline            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 maybe so, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    when is a question a conclusion?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       What's a DS4?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          oops, got caouht up in the hype a DS3xx            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pipeline Ref - Electronic Design            01/01/70 00:00      
                     hummm....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, it's a 4-stage pipeline ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and it's somewhat dated            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the common approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Where is "the bible" published?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    UART modes 2 and 3 "the bible" chapter 3            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The Bible            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Intel Documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks for coming up with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Erik's link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          go to links            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks! That's not what I expected            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Identical ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Philips and Intel            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   License History            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      foundation document            01/01/70 00:00      
   branch prediction            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe, as an intellectual exercise, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         ah well.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            it's clearly worth doing            01/01/70 00:00      

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