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03/10/06 15:25
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#111906 - Ooooooh... This, in a 8051 forum?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Kalpak,

Are you really praising PICs in a 8051 forum? :-)))
Seriously, I appreciate your comments, but let me discuss:
1) Considerable code and hardware compatibility.

See Erik's post. The compatibility in case of 8051 is unbelievable, considering the many companies and time involved. See for example the DS89C4x0 family.

2) Limited third party chaos.

;-) , but good point.
This is why we have 8052.com, the one-stop source of 8051 wisdom. :-P

3) And if I find a bug in datasheet or chip or tool, it is acknowledged as a bug, no one from the support trying to teach me about pull up resistors or concept of quasi bidirectional etc.
Well, I can speak nothing on support, never tried; but from a credible source I have learned about an accident with Microchip denying the existence of a bug and later admitting it in an errata. However, I think this will happen with all the companies; people at support are sometimes under pressure; I understand that. As long as they are willing to communicate and not purely trying to get rid of the complaints, it's very well.

4) Limited instruction set and a pain to learn.

A big pain to learn those ridiculous acronyms. Personal experience (nausea and all :-)

6) Excellent forum, in a way better than this forum, because even company employees participate.
This is a big pity they won't come down here. Both they and we would benefit for sure. Also, it's a pity there are separate lists e.g. at SiLabs and Keil - I understand the reasons but from my (user's) point of view it IS a pity anyway.

7) In India, even though a small market, top class sample and sales support.
Somehow, I don't believe anything in India is small :-))) Try to find my country on the map, if you have one with big enough scale. Compare our population with some bigger village of yours :-)))
OK I am kidding, I hope this was not a too big faux pas; otherwise I apologize. But the point with Microchip providing excellent support in small scale is very relevant; Atmel works in a slightly similar way.

Generally, I found out that usually one praises the tool he uses the most; but at the end of the day, it really does not matter, whether PIC, '51, AVR, Freescale, Renesas or whichever, if it fits the task.

Jan Waclawek

List of 66 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
help on pic microcontroller            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wrong Forum            01/01/70 00:00      
   Have you tried manufacturer's website?            01/01/70 00:00      
   A really hard task !            01/01/70 00:00      
      what??            01/01/70 00:00      
         Read modify write pitfall            01/01/70 00:00      
            doubt abt pic and 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
               lets put it this way            01/01/70 00:00      
               8051 for laziness            01/01/70 00:00      
                  my opinion            01/01/70 00:00      
                     freedom of choice?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that may be, but what I answered was a l            01/01/70 00:00      
                           In how many projects have you used PIC?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ooooooh... This, in a 8051 forum?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Allow me to clarify.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Kalpak, from which perspective            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Both.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    AVR?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          why silabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Free tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          long term marketing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              compatibility            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Since you are betting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    all you say is irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that IS irrelevant why would you want to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Misleading newbies            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                yes kalpak very true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   The tragedy of Indian market            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                There are some, but who gives a hoot.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              PICs are wonderful!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              kalpak said >>>            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 One sale does not..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rewrite? Not really!            01/01/70 00:00      
   '51-like instruction set PIC assembler            01/01/70 00:00      
   Mailing list for PIC            01/01/70 00:00      
   Assuming C            01/01/70 00:00      
      This very well could be why I never got            01/01/70 00:00      
         Sick as a parrot            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sadly            01/01/70 00:00      
               In this Universe I use C            01/01/70 00:00      
                  PIC C?            01/01/70 00:00      
            to PIC or not to PIC            01/01/70 00:00      
   hi            01/01/70 00:00      
   programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
   Today's lesson...            01/01/70 00:00      
      I know 8051 and PIC.            01/01/70 00:00      
         waht kinda computer it is?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RISC            01/01/70 00:00      
         Contradiction?!            01/01/70 00:00      
            more powerful            01/01/70 00:00      
               Bell Curve?            01/01/70 00:00      
   PIC Does Not Support External RAM.            01/01/70 00:00      
      SRAM overrated            01/01/70 00:00      
         C is not required            01/01/70 00:00      
      PIC18's support external RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some PIC18 devices.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not True            01/01/70 00:00      
   What to use. Some translation issues.            01/01/70 00:00      
      that is where the contradicion occur            01/01/70 00:00      
   Funny thread            01/01/70 00:00      
      wikipedia says...            01/01/70 00:00      
   help me            01/01/70 00:00      
      Can you start a new thread, please?            01/01/70 00:00      
         and use a descriptive subject            01/01/70 00:00      

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