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07/19/06 14:40
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#120593 - Some thoughts
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Oleg said:
First of all, this voltage level is not safe for pin itself and may destroy it due over voltage conditions and CMOS "latchup" effect as well

Hardly, as long as he limits the base current by his 10k resistor. Also, built-in protection diodes prevent worse.

Oleg said:
Secondly, transistor will be kept open by this voltage anyway as long as difference above ~0.7V.

Yes, but only if a built-in protetcion diode is forward biased.

Oleg said:
Another point is "collector goes to ground". This is not ordinary connection of transistors. During such connection about 2,5V or so drops over collector-emitter when transistor opens.

So what? This circuit IS a regular circuit, showing a certain advantage, namely that this circuit will forgive turn-off levels, which are not reaching Vcc.
These circuits are widely used when it's needed to provide a high turn-on threshold. Not only with the PNP transistor, but also with NPN: 10k resistor between port output and base, collector to Vcc, relay netween emitter and ground: As drive level a voltage is needed, which is much higher than the forward voltage drop of base emitter junction. This circuit can very often be seen and is totally immune against noise.

Kai

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Driving 12 Volts relay by 5 Volts microcontroller            01/01/70 00:00      
   12v relay            01/01/70 00:00      
      This will not work properly!            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, it might            01/01/70 00:00      
         pullup?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Doable, but disadvantagous            01/01/70 00:00      
               language and a comment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Makes only 3 drivers per port            01/01/70 00:00      
      12v relay            01/01/70 00:00      
   12V relay driver for 80C52            01/01/70 00:00      
      12V relay driver for 80C52            01/01/70 00:00      
      Analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
         sure.but why? this is \"grab bag values\"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re: Analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
               basically they are 'bleeders'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Choosing Bleeder resistor values            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Values Are design Specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                        how to calculate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           what you are missing is that a transistor junction            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Two ways of calculation...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thank you very much!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Nearly....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    BC556 base current direction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Three currents arround the base...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Yes. Its clear for me now.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Was a pleasure...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                So Nice of You. Thanks again!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Didn't search first            01/01/70 00:00      
      Everything is already here. That is not the point!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe it IS the point            01/01/70 00:00      
            Please read again his post            01/01/70 00:00      
               He'd have seen other alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I give up...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't            01/01/70 00:00      
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            freewheling            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Heaven, no!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  as usual, the global became specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's why I...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  FAQ update            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Comment            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's fixed now. Thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
   yet another way            01/01/70 00:00      
      Trouble making            01/01/70 00:00      
   the case of fault            01/01/70 00:00      
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