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07/19/06 14:17
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#120587 - Heaven, no!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per said:
Great idea with this faq, but 1N4148 is not to be used in this circuit. Choose a 1N4005 or something like it.

Heaven, do you really expect in this circuit inductive kicks of 600V, which is what the 1N4005 can withstand??
Nooo! There's no such inductive kick, just becasue the free wheel diode is there. In the moment the transistor turns-off, the inductive mechanism of relay tries to maintain the relay current, which is 30mA here. So, the only inductive kick you will observe is, that an induced voltage is generated which turns-on the diode in such a way, that the 30mA are furtherly flowing through the relay. So, you will observe a voltage of about 12.8V at the anode of 1N4148 and 12V at the cathode. That's all!
Also, this 30mA is flowing through the diode only for a short period, means as long as it takes for the magnetic field to collapse. So, there's even no problem at all with heat dissipation.

The two design criteria for the free wheel diode are 'current' and 'reverse voltage', which is 30mA and 12V, just what a 1N4148 can easily withstand. There's absolutely no need for your 1A/600V diode!

Of course, when you take a much stronger 12V relay, one which switches much more contacts at a time, then coil impedance can be much lower than 400 Ohm and a much higher relay current than 30mA can flow. In such a situation you can take a stronger free wheel diode, but only in terms of current, not reverse voltage. Means then you can use a 1N4002, or similar. But the cicruit I proposed here was a suggestion to Asok, and he used a 12V/400Ohm relay, where the 1N4148 is totally sufficient!

In more sophisticated free wheel applications, not necessarily relay driving applications, also the turn-on time of free wheel diode can be critical!

In any case, the free wheel diode must turn-on faster then the switching element needs to turn-off!!!

In our application, we have a transistor which needs about 1µsec to turn-off. So, the 1N4148, switching in nanoseconds is fast enough. Also the 1N4002 is fast enough, although it needs a considerably longer time to turn-on! Yes, when exchanging the switching transistor by a much faster one, you can even run into trouble with the 1N4002!

Kai

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TopicAuthorDate
Driving 12 Volts relay by 5 Volts microcontroller            01/01/70 00:00      
   12v relay            01/01/70 00:00      
      This will not work properly!            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, it might            01/01/70 00:00      
         pullup?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Doable, but disadvantagous            01/01/70 00:00      
               language and a comment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Makes only 3 drivers per port            01/01/70 00:00      
      12v relay            01/01/70 00:00      
   12V relay driver for 80C52            01/01/70 00:00      
      12V relay driver for 80C52            01/01/70 00:00      
      Analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
         sure.but why? this is \"grab bag values\"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re: Analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
               basically they are 'bleeders'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Choosing Bleeder resistor values            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Values Are design Specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                        how to calculate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           what you are missing is that a transistor junction            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Two ways of calculation...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thank you very much!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Nearly....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    BC556 base current direction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Three currents arround the base...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Yes. Its clear for me now.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Was a pleasure...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                So Nice of You. Thanks again!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Didn't search first            01/01/70 00:00      
      Everything is already here. That is not the point!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe it IS the point            01/01/70 00:00      
            Please read again his post            01/01/70 00:00      
               He'd have seen other alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I give up...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't            01/01/70 00:00      
         faq            01/01/70 00:00      
            Beat me to it            01/01/70 00:00      
            freewheling            01/01/70 00:00      
               1n4148            01/01/70 00:00      
               Heaven, no!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  as usual, the global became specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's why I...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  FAQ update            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Comment            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's fixed now. Thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
   yet another way            01/01/70 00:00      
      Trouble making            01/01/70 00:00      
   the case of fault            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some thoughts            01/01/70 00:00      

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