| ??? 02/07/06 15:14 Read: times |
#109413 - I'd buy Keil if I had to make 2 units Responding to: ???'s previous message |
OK, try to think 10k rather than 1M, gets a bit more realistic picture.
I'd buy professional tools if I had to make 2 units of a significant size. If that, and other projects, was not enough to carry the load, I would decline. This, of course, apply to "other" processors, I am fully tooled for the '51. I would gladly make a small, say 1k, app with "no" tools, but the bigger the project, the more important the tools become. I have seen more junk made with the excuse "we could not afford the tools" then for any other reason. mainly to Jan: I was pulled, kicking and screaming, to C about 12 years ago and still go against the stream and code assembly when needed. I strongly recommend, you get a book and start adding C to your warchest, even if you may be restricted to SDCC. After a period of grumbling and complaining "I can do that better in assembler" you will start learning to like it. If your volumes are not huge saving a few hours by using C can easily pay for the extra $2 you may need for sufficient memory. In my young and inexperienced days I attacked everything to achieve optimum, but have since learned a very important engineering formula: [the cost of engineering hours saved]/[no of units made] = ["free" additional component spending].The corrolary: if [cost of engineering hours saved] > [cost of tool] buy tool. Can you imagine the attitude towards engineering hours when 600.000 units are made. I got enormous praise for saving $0.87 by a memory trick (still pure C code). On the other hand, in a case where the anticipated production was 10, it was "do whatever to cut engineering cost, do not worry about parts". Erik PS the above does NOT state that a few can not make a workable unit without a tool budget. Just that too many try. |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| GNU gcc compiler for 8052 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| sdcc | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| And never will be | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Hmm well | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Stack Size | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Is it so because.. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| processors supported by gcc | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The reason... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| bigstack | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Probably not | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Bigger Stack | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| how much is enough? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Who? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| but who??? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| SDCC | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| only preprocessor | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Successful? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| routinely | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The AVR tinys have no ram | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Not me | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Wheel re-invention | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I suppose | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| sdcc - where to start | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thanks | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Sorry | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No stack required | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| reentrancy | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The right tool for the job | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| RE: The right tool for the job | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Good point | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ... but who cares, anyway? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Sad, but true! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| not convincing | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| have been designed to fit C | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| it IS relevant | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| not rteally | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| choices | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ...and Pascal | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| If you are planning to make 1.000.000 un | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Choices | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| naah... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yup | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| oh $8 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I don't buy that one | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
you have to work with what you get | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Even assembler needs justification | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| you DID use the %! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| as to above | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| tradeoffs | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I'd buy Keil if I had to make 2 units | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| my original point was... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Dan, you missed a detail :) | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| In good company | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| deadlines | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| assumptions | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| could not say it better | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Nothing new there, then! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| oh well, more words | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Normal | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| have a look | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| yes, but most want their tool | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I dont know where to reply! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| as so often before | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Seen it so many times | 01/01/70 00:00 |



