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08/04/05 14:48
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#98814 - shorted turn
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Steve: The following are my thoughts on this:

I would not be looking for shorted turn with this test the growler will pick that up.

I am not sure that this test will pick up fine faults on all rotors that come in for repair.
Each winding on a rotor is supposed to have the same number of turns (controlled at coil winding.)
Sometimes the winding will be too stiff to form or install if the coil is wound from a single conductor, or perhaps the required current capacity is not available and the next larger conductor would make the coil too large to fit in the slot.
When that happens the coil winder will take the correct number of smaller conductors “in hand” and wind them as a single conductor ( 2 in hand or 3 in hand) .
When the coil is fastened to the commutator bar all these coils are in parallel. If one or more were to go open in use this test would detect that as even a "15 in hand" winding that lost 1 wire would show a 6 % change in resistance. 15 in hand is more than I have ever seen but it is possible. It will detect a completely open coil when the rotor is turned to the bars that present the open coil as the main coil.
If the rotor is wound “in hand” and loses 1 section of a coil the following would be expected.
In use the motor the motor would run and probably be fine on a non critical load but it would have a vibration problem caused by the missing coil section.
If the motor were in a closed loop system alone or as part of a larger system it would affect the accuracy of the system.
Certainly it would not live if asked for 100% output but that is not a normal event 75% load is more reasonable.

This application is almost an implementation of a classic 4 wire ohmmeter with application specific output.
Terry


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   ISO106, and: BE CAREFUL!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Very dangerous indeed!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh dear...            01/01/70 00:00      
            thanks guys, & Mahmood, my condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
               a question for Kai....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'd say that the DC "current transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         busbars            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thank you all            01/01/70 00:00      
   Isolation transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
      DC            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe this is what a "DC current transfo            01/01/70 00:00      
   High Voltage Op Amps            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem Change, change in supply values            01/01/70 00:00      
      INA117 is a good choice then            01/01/70 00:00      
         shunt resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thick piece of wire            01/01/70 00:00      
               fine if you can calibrate.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               Piece of Wire.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nevertheless...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Try these            01/01/70 00:00      
            Shunt Resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
   change in problem - different supply val            01/01/70 00:00      
   The application..........sorry its late            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
      More questions...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Answers.......I hope this is clearer            01/01/70 00:00      
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            Volt range            01/01/70 00:00      
               welder voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Extremely informative!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ahm confoosed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           millivolts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Simon says            01/01/70 00:00      
         So the aim is to test for shorted turns?            01/01/70 00:00      
            I doubt this will work with DC motors            01/01/70 00:00      
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      Spot on Charles            01/01/70 00:00      
   millivolts and growler test            01/01/70 00:00      
   Test readings            01/01/70 00:00      
      Shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
      Could you draw a scheme?            01/01/70 00:00      
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            I'm a bloody amateur...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Where you are measuring            01/01/70 00:00      
         Big fault ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Update            01/01/70 00:00      
   Latest update            01/01/70 00:00      
      Much much more details needed!            01/01/70 00:00      

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