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07/28/05 14:09
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#98358 - INA117 is a good choice then
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Sun said:
Can a general purpose op amp can easily handle these values? will I still need an isolation amplifire? If I am using an op-amp as a differece amp just to measure the volt drop across 2 commutator bars, can I just place its inputs on the bars? the way I see it, the test supply to the commutator is a different loop from my control cct, hence what will the op amp use as a reference point.

Now you can use a circuit like it's implemented inernally of INA117. This is an instrumentation like amplifier, but which provides a reduction of input voltages, concretely spoken 'common mode input voltage'. An isolation amplifier is no longer necessary, but maybe still usefull. Depends on actual application, which I do not exactly know up to now.

I guess you still need the shunt resistor to sense the current? If you connect the both inputs of INA117 to this shunt, then by design ground noise is suppressed by the common mode rejection ratio of INA117. It depends on your needs, whether this rejection is sufficiant for you or not. Please have a look at datasheet of INA117 and take care, that the shunt must be orders of magnitude smaller than the resistors used internally of INA117 (380kOhm).

Circuitry of INA117 is so simple, that you might think you can do the circuit also with cheap discretes. But, take care, high common mode rejection is only fullfilled with INA117 chip, because precision and matching of internal resistors is unique. Building the same with discretes would mean the need of very very precise resistors, to get the same performance.

The INA117 I suggested to you, because I don't actually know, how high the maximum input voltages can be. If you don't need so much reduction of common mode input voltage, then you can also use INA105 or something similar, of course.

Kai

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Op amp input, high voltage measurement            01/01/70 00:00      
   You need...            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISO106, and: BE CAREFUL!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Very dangerous indeed!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh dear...            01/01/70 00:00      
            thanks guys, & Mahmood, my condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
               a question for Kai....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'd say that the DC "current transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         busbars            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thank you all            01/01/70 00:00      
   Isolation transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
      DC            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe this is what a "DC current transfo            01/01/70 00:00      
   High Voltage Op Amps            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem Change, change in supply values            01/01/70 00:00      
      INA117 is a good choice then            01/01/70 00:00      
         shunt resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thick piece of wire            01/01/70 00:00      
               fine if you can calibrate.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               Piece of Wire.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nevertheless...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Try these            01/01/70 00:00      
            Shunt Resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
   change in problem - different supply val            01/01/70 00:00      
   The application..........sorry its late            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
      More questions...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Answers.......I hope this is clearer            01/01/70 00:00      
            I smell smoke            01/01/70 00:00      
               Toasty warm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Volt range            01/01/70 00:00      
               welder voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Extremely informative!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ahm confoosed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           millivolts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Simon says            01/01/70 00:00      
         So the aim is to test for shorted turns?            01/01/70 00:00      
            I doubt this will work with DC motors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ring Counter theory and schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
      Spot on Charles            01/01/70 00:00      
   millivolts and growler test            01/01/70 00:00      
   Test readings            01/01/70 00:00      
      Shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
      Could you draw a scheme?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Windings            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'm a bloody amateur...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Where you are measuring            01/01/70 00:00      
         Big fault ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Update            01/01/70 00:00      
   Latest update            01/01/70 00:00      
      Much much more details needed!            01/01/70 00:00      

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