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07/29/05 11:03
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#98436 - More questions...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Sun said:
The way this was done previously is;
The test technician applies a current of anything of between 200 and 300A to the commutator with the brushes at about 90 deg from each other. As I mentioned previously, the supply is about 10V/300A and the resistence of the armature is about 0.0148 ohms.
The technician then uses a millivilt meter to measure the volt drop between each pair of bars. The readings should not vary much if there are no shorts or open cct windings.

I have several questions:

1. Does the test current make the motor turn around, does it set the motor in motion?

2. How is the current applied, and more interesting how is it removed? Normally, there are heavy voltage spikes, if the current through a large inductance is suddenly switched-off!! How do you handle these voltage spikes? How high can they be? How much time is needed for the current through motor winding to reach its final value, when being switched-on?

3. So, you are only interested in the ratio of voltage drops, not the actual voltage drop? This would allow that the test current isn't actually known, but is stable while jumping from winding to winding?


Now I need to impliment this test digitaly and save the readings.

What does this mean exactly? What is needed to be implemented digitally? Is still a technician going to the motor and applying the test current through the several windings? What all is to be done 'digitally'?


Sun said:
Kai, I plan to use the INA117, but my worry is the current.
I dont need to measure the currrent but I am worried that large currents from the test supply (300A) might flow into my low current control cct.

Whether current is flowing depends on your application. How is the test current being generated? Is there any connection to safety earth? Does your circuit have any connection to safety earth?
Normally, if everything has a connection to safety earth somehow, means if everything is referenced to safety earth, then, the only two wires running from your DC motor to your test circuit would be the probe wires, which are going to the 380kOhm resistors of INA117. So, there cannot flow any high current! You told, that the current generator does only apply a voltage of 10V. Then it's this voltage what drives a current into your circuit. And the 380kOhm resistors prevent any high currents from flowing into your circuit.
By the way, can you elaborate a bit more, how the test current generator works? Is it a voltage generator using a current limiting resistor?

Kai

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Op amp input, high voltage measurement            01/01/70 00:00      
   You need...            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISO106, and: BE CAREFUL!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Very dangerous indeed!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh dear...            01/01/70 00:00      
            thanks guys, & Mahmood, my condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
               a question for Kai....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'd say that the DC "current transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         Condolences            01/01/70 00:00      
         busbars            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thank you all            01/01/70 00:00      
   Isolation transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
      DC            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe this is what a "DC current transfo            01/01/70 00:00      
   High Voltage Op Amps            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem Change, change in supply values            01/01/70 00:00      
      INA117 is a good choice then            01/01/70 00:00      
         shunt resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thick piece of wire            01/01/70 00:00      
               fine if you can calibrate.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               Piece of Wire.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nevertheless...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Try these            01/01/70 00:00      
            Shunt Resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
   change in problem - different supply val            01/01/70 00:00      
   The application..........sorry its late            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
      More questions...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Answers.......I hope this is clearer            01/01/70 00:00      
            I smell smoke            01/01/70 00:00      
               Toasty warm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Volt range            01/01/70 00:00      
               welder voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Extremely informative!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ahm confoosed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           millivolts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Simon says            01/01/70 00:00      
         So the aim is to test for shorted turns?            01/01/70 00:00      
            I doubt this will work with DC motors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ring Counter theory and schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
      Spot on Charles            01/01/70 00:00      
   millivolts and growler test            01/01/70 00:00      
   Test readings            01/01/70 00:00      
      Shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
      Could you draw a scheme?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Windings            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'm a bloody amateur...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Where you are measuring            01/01/70 00:00      
         Big fault ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            shorted turn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Update            01/01/70 00:00      
   Latest update            01/01/70 00:00      
      Much much more details needed!            01/01/70 00:00      

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