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12/13/08 00:10
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#160892 - Not Really
Responding to: ???'s previous message
For years it's been obvious that some video displays were generated with interlace. That's the only way some of them could present a display of sufficient vertical resolution, but it was often obvious. Some people are VERY annoyed with the vertical "jiggle" that this introduces.

Some educational videos were annoyingly obvious in their interlace, often generated with AMIGA hardware (according to the credits). No doubt, it can be done right, and wrong as well.

The assumption underlying the acceptance of interlace in U.S. (NTSC) video, is that the combination of phosphor persistence and retinal persistence produces no flicker.

PAL systems use nearly the same horizontal rate, though there are more scan lines, so the ~20 ms half-frame rate is still acceptable to a large portion of the population.

This isn't really worth arguing, since we're getting away from that whole scheme in a couple of months. I just wanted the "frame-rate" to be discussed some, since it can be disappointing to get it all "working" only to observe the flicker firsthand. It depends on brightness, timing, and ambient lighting, but I'm not at all sure to what extent each has impact.

My own experience has been that small displays refreshed at 60 Hz work just fine and no flicker is observed (or complained about). I've not used LED's recently, and certainly not for long displays. I'm contemplating it, just out of curious interest, but, ... that's low-priority.

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Help Req:Working of 8-bit SIPO Shift Register in LED Display            01/01/70 00:00      
   Look at some datasheets?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
   Could you be more specific?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Got U!            01/01/70 00:00      
         New thread            01/01/70 00:00      
            OK...but            01/01/70 00:00      
               You just proved the point!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Here is a possible solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Rash assumption?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you can use MPUs those has built-in flash            01/01/70 00:00      
                  EPROM with AT89S52            01/01/70 00:00      
               permanent?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Non-Volatile Storage            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Still a Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Obviously            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Design work before chip selection            01/01/70 00:00      
         What about LED drive current?            01/01/70 00:00      
            if you plan to multiplex ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know you're well versed in this context ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Phosphor persistence?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's in Erik's primary domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Todays LEDs turn on and off very fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Intermodulation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you make some additional points, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                           But what about TV?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              persistence of the tube, I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Blind test?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Problematic test strategy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       double blind ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Blind tests, revisited            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I have no such problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                For flimmer test too?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   done inside and outside            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Interlace            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not Really            01/01/70 00:00      
               Maybe skip intensity and on-the-fly updates            01/01/70 00:00      
                  They haven not been discussed ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Forget All...........            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't you need a refresh memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Table Lookup is Used            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Need buffering            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that is ridiculous            01/01/70 00:00      
                           character generation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              i think you got me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No tricks involved            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here's one way ... but you'll have to code it yourself            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    thanks...i'll try it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       how to reset HEF4094            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          difference between "strobe" and "output enable" pins?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Only be serially writing zeros to it...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          How are you using the '4094?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Not so simple for a newbie...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                perhaps you're right, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Thanks, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Did you even read the prior posts?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         multiple parallel outputs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            actually, yes!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Telephonic discussion            01/01/70 00:00      

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