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06/15/07 12:58
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#140848 - stray capacitance
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The high stray capacitance will in fact help here (except for the crystal oscillator); the high inductance of the ground "loop" (we can't see how it is connected from the rightmost rail where the leads from the "regulated source" are connected to the leftmost rail from where the '51 gets GND, so that connection is at the far bottom apparently) will be a killer.

A basic internal-memory-only, LEDs-and-RS232, 5V '51 circuit with the commonly available 24MHz chips does not need necessarily a double(plus)-layered board to work flawlessly, but of course this is valid only if the tracks are kept reasonably short (especially for the oscillator/crystal tracks). I don't say it will pass EMC and similar tests, nor that it is a good design practice, and it is certainly not professional; but for basic homebrew hobby circuit it will work.

Of course, proper decoupling etc. is a must, the reset IC is highly recommended.

There is no need to scare people to death; but they should be aware of the basic risks and their remedy.

JW


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have any one having the Strange prob with 89C51 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Post your code            01/01/70 00:00      
      ... and a photo...            01/01/70 00:00      
   "strange" problems have very often roots in...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sir for Code here it is,            01/01/70 00:00      
         Here is code for Serial,            01/01/70 00:00      
            and what does it do, exactly?            01/01/70 00:00      
               The Problem is that,            01/01/70 00:00      
                  spurious resets            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well sir,            01/01/70 00:00      
                        power supply is not only the transformer...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Well Jan, no problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What ID?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        incorrect statement            01/01/70 00:00      
                           And whats that SUPERVISOR ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How to show the both sides of circuit ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 there is your problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                              supervisor = reset IC (roughly)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here is the Pic of Circuit, :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    where's the decoupling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The problem you will forever have till you throw y            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       stray capacitance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          my point exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    No burden caps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       no they are there            01/01/70 00:00      
         You need to set the Stack Pointer Register            01/01/70 00:00      
            SP            01/01/70 00:00      
               Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                  stack troubles            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dictionary definition of 'easier'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        something like that            01/01/70 00:00      
                           pray explain            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it's not going to solve the problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Oh yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    NO, where have you seen me saying that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    WoW what a nice idea ;-) i loved it,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       so, why did you not \'dare\' to do so?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Why Not Sir :-) i am going to do it,            01/01/70 00:00      
   AT89C51            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe this is your problem            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well is EA should be connected to VCC ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         read the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
            hey Charles you are Great :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
               why do you not dare to read the datasheet in the f            01/01/70 00:00      
         an editorial about a recurring issue            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks everybody, Problem solved ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      

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