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06/15/07 12:32
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#140842 - The problem you will forever have till you throw y
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The problem you will forever have till you throw your pegboard away is that you will never know if a problem is your crapboard or your design. Have you considered one simple explanation: chip a from foundry x has slightly different pins than chip b from foundry y and using a crapboard that can make all the difference.

As Jan points out you have no decoupling and, on a pegboard, that will be even more important, the stray capacitances are horrendous, also USE A SUPERVISOR!!!.

One more issue with the crapboard is that if chip b has faster rise/fall times than chip a it is possible that chip a will 'work' and chip b not even if you are lucky enough that all contacts make.

at fast rise/fall times, a wire is NOT 'a wire' it is inductors and capacitors and - for that reason - only a carefully laid out multilayer PCB will guarantee success. Note 'guarantee' some may have made something work by other means but, again, the situation of "is it my design or my board" is the bane of all progress.

One way to get a glimpse of the rise/fall time characteristics of a uC is to look at the max frequency it will run at, the higher it is the faster the fall/rise times will be. This is NOT a perfect way, but very fast to see if the problem is there. It may say "the problem is there" but never "it is not there". The frequency you run the uC at does not matter, only the rise and fall times.

Erik

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have any one having the Strange prob with 89C51 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Post your code            01/01/70 00:00      
      ... and a photo...            01/01/70 00:00      
   "strange" problems have very often roots in...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sir for Code here it is,            01/01/70 00:00      
         Here is code for Serial,            01/01/70 00:00      
            and what does it do, exactly?            01/01/70 00:00      
               The Problem is that,            01/01/70 00:00      
                  spurious resets            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well sir,            01/01/70 00:00      
                        power supply is not only the transformer...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Well Jan, no problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What ID?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        incorrect statement            01/01/70 00:00      
                           And whats that SUPERVISOR ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How to show the both sides of circuit ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 there is your problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                              supervisor = reset IC (roughly)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here is the Pic of Circuit, :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    where's the decoupling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The problem you will forever have till you throw y            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       stray capacitance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          my point exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    No burden caps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       no they are there            01/01/70 00:00      
         You need to set the Stack Pointer Register            01/01/70 00:00      
            SP            01/01/70 00:00      
               Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                  stack troubles            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dictionary definition of 'easier'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        something like that            01/01/70 00:00      
                           pray explain            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it's not going to solve the problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Oh yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    NO, where have you seen me saying that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    WoW what a nice idea ;-) i loved it,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       so, why did you not \'dare\' to do so?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Why Not Sir :-) i am going to do it,            01/01/70 00:00      
   AT89C51            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe this is your problem            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well is EA should be connected to VCC ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         read the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
            hey Charles you are Great :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
               why do you not dare to read the datasheet in the f            01/01/70 00:00      
         an editorial about a recurring issue            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks everybody, Problem solved ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      

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