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03/20/07 05:24
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#135349 - Artefacts
Responding to: ???'s previous message
David said:
I'm eager for your views on how AC excitation can remove gain noise that I assume is being introduced by the ADC (which is back in the DC domain).

When using DC excitation you suffer from rather high very low frequency noise of analog front-end stages. When using AC excitation in combination with lock-in methode, on the other hand, only the spectral noise density at the chopping frequency contributes to the noise, which is considerably smaller than the very low frequency noise.

More, when extreme low noise and extreme high linearity is desired, a mixed analog digital chip like these AD7730 and similar should not be used. The internal high frequency clock signals and noise is injected into the sensitive analog section via on-die stray capacitances and becomes demodulated on certain non-linearities of analog stages, resulting in artefacts like drifting DC offsets and gain noise.

The only remedy is to use a purely analog front end circuitry, which sees the digital world only after the signal(s) have been dramatically amplified.

Kai

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Load Cell            01/01/70 00:00      
   24 bits            01/01/70 00:00      
   Load Cells            01/01/70 00:00      
      Alex            01/01/70 00:00      
         Alexandria library            01/01/70 00:00      
         All Wlcome in alex            01/01/70 00:00      
      opamp            01/01/70 00:00      
         re: opAmp            01/01/70 00:00      
            averaging how long? and noamp!            01/01/70 00:00      
            resume            01/01/70 00:00      
               resume opamps            01/01/70 00:00      
                  NO WAY            01/01/70 00:00      
               Already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, really!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you are fully right            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why use opamp?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Too specific?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not too specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What the hell...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              nothing wrong, just old, dont be angry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But, what's wrong with "old"??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You should know that, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       shame for me,agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       How incredibly stupid to call a 1982's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          were it only so well            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You are sooo right...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bob Pease            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I religously agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Pease = God?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I should add            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 AC Excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    We Became 3 persons            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    AC excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       100 nv ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       100 nv ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          100nV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Weighing lore            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Looks exactly like VLF noise!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             to: Kai Klaas            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Lock-in uses AC excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             AC Excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Artefacts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not 100nV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ADCs            01/01/70 00:00      
      probably?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is "hysteresis" specified for your load cell?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why dont you answer my question?            01/01/70 00:00      
         even nastier            01/01/70 00:00      
            Mechanical issues            01/01/70 00:00      
               Mech ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         i thought in that            01/01/70 00:00      
   to stefen and eric            01/01/70 00:00      
      And Load Cell type            01/01/70 00:00      
         send to me datasheet of loadcell            01/01/70 00:00      
   a load of stuff on loadcells            01/01/70 00:00      
   The Author            01/01/70 00:00      
      Variation            01/01/70 00:00      
         11bit from 24 bit            01/01/70 00:00      
         Davids answer woefully incomplete            01/01/70 00:00      
      "constant power supply of 15 mv" ???            01/01/70 00:00      
         kind of that power supply            01/01/70 00:00      
            bad experiment            01/01/70 00:00      
      another experiment            01/01/70 00:00      
         CS5532 comparison            01/01/70 00:00      
            30 kg to 3.5g is NOT 1:100,000 it is 1:8,000            01/01/70 00:00      
               yes and not            01/01/70 00:00      
               Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                  David , what broadband he uses?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  there must be some misunderstanding here            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
                        oh,            01/01/70 00:00      
      You misunderstood something!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         im sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      Common mode input voltage range is violated!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Please modify your user profile,...            01/01/70 00:00      
      User profile            01/01/70 00:00      
         Haha...            01/01/70 00:00      
      ok I updated my profile            01/01/70 00:00      

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