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03/13/07 08:43
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#134838 - AC Excitation
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I was interested in Stefan's remark about needing AC 'as the 7730 has some unpredictable drift'. I've been in weighing far too long, and have long ago dismissed AC excitation in favour of ensuring all 'pairs' of thermocouples in the signal circuit are in close thermal proximity. I.e. Every change of conductor material in the chain is identical and mechanically close. I even go to trouble of mapping 'isotherms' across the PCB from the heat generating components (power regulator, etc) and ensuring the ADC signal input components are equally 'heated'. This frees me from the problems (manifold) of AC excitation.

I don't use the 7730. I was already on the 'Crystal Semi' route when the 7730 became available. I used the CS5520, and lately the CS5532 (last 10 years), but it does have problems, and I keep wondering if I should change horses. Major problem is LF gain instabilty - >0.1Hz - which of course walks through my filters. It is in the order of 1:20,000, so it is fine with my 1:10,000 certified (OIML 76 approved) weight indicator designs, but it is very annoying, nonetheless. It varies from device to device, and batch to batch, so I've long put it down to an on-chip effect - and it often DOES exceed the datasheet spec. Just not enough to make a big deal of it with the manufacturer. Therefore, I'm very interested when someone tells me the AD device may have a similar problem (perhaps it's inherent in delta-sigma conversion?).

Stefan - tell me more.

And Mohamed, you mustn't add a pre-amp - it'll just magnify your problem and add some of its own. Also - try to avoid a resistor chain in the excitation - why add further, very expensive, gain-error-inducing components? Although, I don't know what the 7730's ref input limits are... The CS5532 has 5v, which is great - but I discovered that it goes non-linear immediately you go north of 5v - so I give it 4.9v ;-)

Dave

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Load Cell            01/01/70 00:00      
   24 bits            01/01/70 00:00      
   Load Cells            01/01/70 00:00      
      Alex            01/01/70 00:00      
         Alexandria library            01/01/70 00:00      
         All Wlcome in alex            01/01/70 00:00      
      opamp            01/01/70 00:00      
         re: opAmp            01/01/70 00:00      
            averaging how long? and noamp!            01/01/70 00:00      
            resume            01/01/70 00:00      
               resume opamps            01/01/70 00:00      
                  NO WAY            01/01/70 00:00      
               Already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, really!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you are fully right            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why use opamp?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Too specific?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not too specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What the hell...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              nothing wrong, just old, dont be angry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But, what's wrong with "old"??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You should know that, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       shame for me,agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       How incredibly stupid to call a 1982's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          were it only so well            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You are sooo right...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bob Pease            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I religously agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Pease = God?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I should add            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 AC Excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    We Became 3 persons            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    AC excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       100 nv ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       100 nv ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          100nV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Weighing lore            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Looks exactly like VLF noise!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             to: Kai Klaas            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Lock-in uses AC excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             AC Excitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Artefacts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not 100nV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ADCs            01/01/70 00:00      
      probably?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is "hysteresis" specified for your load cell?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why dont you answer my question?            01/01/70 00:00      
         even nastier            01/01/70 00:00      
            Mechanical issues            01/01/70 00:00      
               Mech ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         i thought in that            01/01/70 00:00      
   to stefen and eric            01/01/70 00:00      
      And Load Cell type            01/01/70 00:00      
         send to me datasheet of loadcell            01/01/70 00:00      
   a load of stuff on loadcells            01/01/70 00:00      
   The Author            01/01/70 00:00      
      Variation            01/01/70 00:00      
         11bit from 24 bit            01/01/70 00:00      
         Davids answer woefully incomplete            01/01/70 00:00      
      "constant power supply of 15 mv" ???            01/01/70 00:00      
         kind of that power supply            01/01/70 00:00      
            bad experiment            01/01/70 00:00      
      another experiment            01/01/70 00:00      
         CS5532 comparison            01/01/70 00:00      
            30 kg to 3.5g is NOT 1:100,000 it is 1:8,000            01/01/70 00:00      
               yes and not            01/01/70 00:00      
               Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                  David , what broadband he uses?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  there must be some misunderstanding here            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
                        oh,            01/01/70 00:00      
      You misunderstood something!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         im sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      Common mode input voltage range is violated!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Please modify your user profile,...            01/01/70 00:00      
      User profile            01/01/70 00:00      
         Haha...            01/01/70 00:00      
      ok I updated my profile            01/01/70 00:00      

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