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01/13/07 18:17
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#130776 - No, you're wrong ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Purushottam Dayama said:

... There are millions of devices working with open collector and/or open drains and port0 is not different. If you have to connect some critical rise time devices then pullup resistor should be lowest possible as per port0 current sinking capacity.


A generalization that is not entirely correct.


Most micros are TTL compatible and thus can sink about 4.8mA which is required for TTL. Therefore 1Kohm is near resistor. 1.2K better. 4.7K is recommended for rise time upto 300nS which almost all TTL/LSTTL/CMOS devices can tolerate.
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Most micros are NOT TTL compatible. They require more Vih than the Voh that TTL provides. Further, the output current from most "TTL" devices was on the order of 12-16 mA, and Iih was not relevant, since the input is really an emitter. On LSTTL devices the Iih is lower, but still on the order of 0.6 mA. Ioh is still the same, but for LSTTL or TTL was irrelevant since the driven load was an emitter or, at best, a diode pair from a resistor to Vcc. CMOS, OTOH, required essentially no current as either sink or source to drive its inputs, but it does require that the voltage be adequate. Not all micros have a sufficiently high Voh to satisfy CMOS input Vih requirements. Most micros can source at least 0.6 mA, and will sink at least 1.2 mA, but beyond that, you can't make any assumptions. Many can do more, but you've got to read the datasheet to be sure.

A lot depends on the specifics of the devices you've chosen to apply. You've got to use data that applies to those particular devices. If you don't you'll be disappointed.

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TopicAuthorDate
how can i use port 0 as output            01/01/70 00:00      
   read            01/01/70 00:00      
      not quite understand            01/01/70 00:00      
         READ            01/01/70 00:00      
            i'm blur            01/01/70 00:00      
               it is a \'1\', but not a \'high\'            01/01/70 00:00      
         Port 0 is open drain            01/01/70 00:00      
            connection between u-c with pull up?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Basics            01/01/70 00:00      
                  typo            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Doh!            01/01/70 00:00      
               The answer is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Sinking and Sourcing            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Correct!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  sending data using port 0?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                        LED display driver            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Port1 is better than port0 for this            01/01/70 00:00      
                              is it right like this?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 NO            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Where is the TB62726 in your circuit??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    stiil stuck with port0            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       help me plz            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          drop the cute stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    connections right or not?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Hallelujah!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I already did            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Looks like a point of confusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It is not Right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Looks like total confusion!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       looks like?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    confused..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       That is Right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the schematic is fine, BUT            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You have damaged the micro!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    my assumption right now            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       basics            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Deja Vu            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Wyh not?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             the difference is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       See my recent post.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          why not ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          No, you're wrong ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Don't remove your earlier schematics!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      RightO            01/01/70 00:00      
         a good way to burn the port pin (and the LED)            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry Datasheet is different for what I am saying            01/01/70 00:00      
               NO, nada, niente, never, nie, non,, aldrig            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hair-raising...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Completely Incorrect!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  In practice..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Please read specs properly            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What has survived your "tests" must be correct?            01/01/70 00:00      
      diagram attached            01/01/70 00:00      
         Connections are not correct!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Modifications            01/01/70 00:00      
      PWM without using 8051-Timer            01/01/70 00:00      
         New Topic; New Thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
         the usual question            01/01/70 00:00      

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