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04/17/06 15:53
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#114394 - It's the plague of Windows
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Windows seems to tempt, if not force, developers to take a multi-menu approach to things that wasn't needed under DOS.

Consequently, Windows applications become slow and cumbersome due ot their need for mouse-based operations that provide a new "mode" each time a new level of menu is selected. As a result, you use up 2-3 minutes doing what took one keystroke to do in the DOS application. It's common.

Once OrCAD acquired MicroSIM and adopted their approach to Windows, you could easily see OrCAD circling the bowl.

Under DOS, and particularly with the "386+" versions of their DOS-based tools, nothing seems to take more than half a second, aside, perhaps, from a complete autoroute of a PCB. However, even OrCAD's DOS-based "IDE" or "shell" called "ESP," made things painfully cumbersome and certainly misled many people into believing it would automate what it really didn't.

Running the OrCAD tools from the command line and using batch files to migrate from, say, SDT (schematic capture) to VST (digital simulation) or PCB, was quick and effective. Fortunately, in order to maintain compatibility with the current OrCAD tools, it's possible to take output from the "386+" tool set and import it into Capture. I haven't yet tried to move PCB artifacts from DOS to Layout or Allegro, but I doubt it will be as easy. What's more, the move to WIndows has thoroughly messed up PSpice, which worked fine under DOS in v5.0. When v5.2 (for Windows) came out, it was in the toilet.

There are some pretty passable tools for layout under Windows, but the schematic capture offering is not very pleasant to use. Since I draw many more schematics than board layouts, I don't let this keep me from using the DOS version, which I find very useful.

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TopicAuthorDate
TSSOP28 footprint for Protel 2.7 PCB            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why not design the footprint yourself?            01/01/70 00:00      
      You want to try it with fricking eagle            01/01/70 00:00      
         Do you like BEagle?            01/01/70 00:00      
            pcad            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, I've got it right here            01/01/70 00:00      
                  FPGA libraries in general            01/01/70 00:00      
            Protel            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm spoiled            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Protel for DOS            01/01/70 00:00      
            a simple workaround            01/01/70 00:00      
            Eagle            01/01/70 00:00      
               what            01/01/70 00:00      
                  BOMs from schematics            01/01/70 00:00      
                     a good idea with problems            01/01/70 00:00      
                        problems have solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                           agreed, as I tried to convey            01/01/70 00:00      
            WOW            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, about five IC's            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OK, now it makes sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well, how would you do it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        tell it all when first posting            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Erik, you're doing it again ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              naah            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Well, OK, it's your choice ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I actually consider that a disadvantage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's a matter of preference, perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are more than one fish in the sea            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's still much too slow to be useful            01/01/70 00:00      
               In the olden days I worked with DOS ORCA            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's the plague of Windows            01/01/70 00:00      
                     take the bitter with the sweet            01/01/70 00:00      
                     keyboard shortcuts and toolbars            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I've just got to disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Are you in the mood for another?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Nah....no menu's            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that is rarely an option            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it's no better if you're independent            01/01/70 00:00      

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