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02/01/06 19:55
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#108928 - I agree, but all are not equal
Responding to: ???'s previous message
At the risk failing to tread lightly into a debate, I agree Eric (and others) are right about the port description. The best explanation is in the old Intel data books, which actually shows the port I/O design at the transistor level. Which brings me to my point.

The I/O configuration was patented by Intel (which may now be expired, I’m not sure). Historically, vendors had to pay a royalty to Intel to use it, some did (such as Phillips and OKI) and some did not. I personally worked on an instantiation of the 8052 from a 3rd party vendor that did not use the Intel I/O design and the application programmer did have to specify each I/O, as a different buffer (output or input) would be connected to the pin. This was not standard but not difficult to deal with once you understood it.

That processor is still out there and others (such as “soft” versions) may not use the standard I/O buffer for similar reasons. It may also apply to “some modern derivatives” as well.

It’s always best to read the datasheet.

Stephan


List of 51 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
initializing a port as output            01/01/70 00:00      
   STOP THE BABBLE            01/01/70 00:00      
      Keil says....            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keil is wrong!            01/01/70 00:00      
            what about the bible itself            01/01/70 00:00      
               the issue is not if someone can find ref            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Dont see any confusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what works            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The confusion arises...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes that may be the thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                  We talk about the "Bible"!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it really is a wired or configuration            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I agree, but all are not equal            01/01/70 00:00      
         Confguring......            01/01/70 00:00      
   Quasi bidirectional            01/01/70 00:00      
      NO, NO, NO STOP THE BABBLE            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is only output mode            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, there is NO mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Who is babbling?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe Rude but right            01/01/70 00:00      
               Mode clarified            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No, that's wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                     i see            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Why is this wrong??            01/01/70 00:00      
                        playing with words            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                           "Mode" is the word            01/01/70 00:00      
                              what i meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No            01/01/70 00:00      
                     which mode            01/01/70 00:00      
                     lets play with words            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Exception            01/01/70 00:00      
                     see this            01/01/70 00:00      
                     a valid, sometimes overlooked point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, but weak or strong            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, that's it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  one more word            01/01/70 00:00      
         What a Rudeness            01/01/70 00:00      
   No input output            01/01/70 00:00      
      Just read the port!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1            01/01/70 00:00      
         yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            not offending            01/01/70 00:00      
               not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                  see what keil says            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about "rudeness"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No excuse            01/01/70 00:00      
                           what agression, what rudeness            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Haha!            01/01/70 00:00      

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