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01/27/06 13:25
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#108495 - about "rudeness"
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Many have her stated that i am rude in my expressions above.

NO WAY

Do I, who do understand the ports, have a personal interest in this - no. Have I seen, again and again, otherwise capable people running around in circles trying to figure out "input mode" and output mode" - yes.

Have I tried "gently" in the past to make it clear how confusing these expression are - yes, did it do any good - no.

When this urban legend is popping up every month and confusing every novice that, instead of having "quasi-bidirectional" explained is made totally crazy by trying to understand "input mode" and output mode", it is not productive.


just see the original post.

To make all the lines of this port as High, can I give the instruction:
P1 = 0xff;
Will it not make the port P1 as input port?


In the "mode system of description" the answer is an unconditional yes, but answering "yes it makes the port an input port" would make it impossible for the OP to ever find out how to output a '1'


If the expressions "input mode" and "output mode" could be eradicated and quasi-bidirectional could be the norm, maybe some would make a bit of progress, instead of spending hours trying to "output in input mode".

Just to show how ridiculous the "input mode" and output mode" expressions are, read the following, which is totally correct when adhering to the mode baloney:
"to input to a port you have to write a '1' to it in output mode"
Crystal clear isn't it.

Instead:
"When a port is set to a '1', it is possible for an outside signal to pull it low."

Which of the above can anybody understand without raking their brain???

quoting "the bible" :
for Ports 1, 2, and 3, the pin is pulled high by a weak internal pullup, and can be pulled low by an external source.

That one of the posts above seems to go one step further and mis readin port pin vs reading port latch in with input mode" and output mode" just show how totally confusing the terminology is.

Erik

List of 51 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
initializing a port as output            01/01/70 00:00      
   STOP THE BABBLE            01/01/70 00:00      
      Keil says....            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keil is wrong!            01/01/70 00:00      
            what about the bible itself            01/01/70 00:00      
               the issue is not if someone can find ref            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Dont see any confusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what works            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The confusion arises...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes that may be the thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                  We talk about the "Bible"!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it really is a wired or configuration            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I agree, but all are not equal            01/01/70 00:00      
         Confguring......            01/01/70 00:00      
   Quasi bidirectional            01/01/70 00:00      
      NO, NO, NO STOP THE BABBLE            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is only output mode            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, there is NO mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Who is babbling?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe Rude but right            01/01/70 00:00      
               Mode clarified            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No, that's wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                     i see            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Why is this wrong??            01/01/70 00:00      
                        playing with words            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                           "Mode" is the word            01/01/70 00:00      
                              what i meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No            01/01/70 00:00      
                     which mode            01/01/70 00:00      
                     lets play with words            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Exception            01/01/70 00:00      
                     see this            01/01/70 00:00      
                     a valid, sometimes overlooked point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, but weak or strong            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, that's it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  one more word            01/01/70 00:00      
         What a Rudeness            01/01/70 00:00      
   No input output            01/01/70 00:00      
      Just read the port!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1            01/01/70 00:00      
         yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            not offending            01/01/70 00:00      
               not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                  see what keil says            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about "rudeness"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No excuse            01/01/70 00:00      
                           what agression, what rudeness            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Haha!            01/01/70 00:00      

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