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03/06/06 05:36
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#111327 - simple testing tool.
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Dear Reza,

A scope is certainly the best tool for diagnosis of problem as steve said. I have also seen flickering due insufficient holding current, Your thyristors need a minimum current for remaining on called holding current. In order to avoid this problem use higher power lamps. With 100Watt+ Lamps I have not seen problems but with 60Watt or lower I have seen flickering.

I use the following setup for diagnosis of thyristor related problems. It is probably the simplest and very effective setup. It contains three lamps each 100W 230V & two diodes 1N4007 It can be directly applied onto systems using upto 440V RMS AC. It can detect half firing assymetric firing and missing firing pulses.

Center bulb [ Shown Left in schema ] - Both postive and negative half cyclces pass.
Left Bulb [ Shown at Top in Schema ] - Only positive half cycle pass. Thus it shows problems with postive cycle firing.
Right Bulb [Shown at Bottom in Schema ] - Only Negative half cycle pass. It shows problems with negative cycles.




Firing OK - All three bulbs glow center lamp double the glow of Right and left. Right and left bulbs glow with same intensity and no flickering.

No Firing - All three bulbs remain off.

Half firing - Center bulb and either left or right bulb glows.

Assymetric Firing - All three bulbs glow. Left and Right bulbs glow with diffrent intensities.

Missing firing pulses - If firing in positive half cycle is missing left bulb shows flickering. If firing in negative half cycle is missing right bulb shows flickering. Remember human eye does detect even a single half cycle missed out.

Best Regards,
Prahlad Purohit





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Firing Angle / Phase Control Method            01/01/70 00:00      
   Calculus            01/01/70 00:00      
      Calculus            01/01/70 00:00      
         Numerical ?            01/01/70 00:00      
             Numerical ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's why we have Excel            01/01/70 00:00      
   Exact!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Table for firing angle phase control rel            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Dear Prahlad            01/01/70 00:00      
         Mains Frequency.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Japan            01/01/70 00:00      
               Google says            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Amazing!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another Question?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Look and see            01/01/70 00:00      
         Holding current            01/01/70 00:00      
      simple testing tool.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Genius methode!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hi Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
               What is all on the borad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  More!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What is generating the EMI?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Mains filter is a must!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Craig has fixed it!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re: Genius Method.            01/01/70 00:00      
      flicker?            01/01/70 00:00      
         BTA40!            01/01/70 00:00      
         assuming that you are driving la            01/01/70 00:00      
            Good Guess            01/01/70 00:00      
               The whole concept is faulty!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I am sorry for you,Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Re: Percent Power <> Percent Light.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     yes, I am sure e.g. 1% power will genera            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Art of Speaking!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           that is your problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Black body radiation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ratio of power delivery to the full powe            01/01/70 00:00      
                           absolutely, but the output is not power,            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Correction curve            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a rememberance            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        exactly the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another Question?            01/01/70 00:00      
      What micro do you use.            01/01/70 00:00      

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