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02/06/06 13:48
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#109290 - Thoughts...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Saif said:
hello guys i am still waiting for any sugestions,so please do commment.

The problem is, that we have only little information from you!
Let me tell you my thoughts:

1. Using a separate winding to gain information for controlling is not a good idea, because non ideal characteristics of transformer will give you different results for the two windings. Think of different saturation effects and different magnetic couplings, different source impedances and different loads at the two windings. If you want to control the duty cycle by looking at an output voltage of transfomer, then you must do this at the secondary winding for the main load.

2. In order to keep a lamp constantly bright you need to control for equal drawn energy per 50Hz period. Means you need contant W = Integral(P x dt) = Integral(U x I x dt) = 1/R x Integral(U^2 x dt), where each integral is over a 50Hz period.

But again there are some problems:

a. Lamp loads are non linear, means R depends on actual voltage dropping across them and depends on duration of being applied. So, you cannot expect R to be constant in this equation.

b. Human eye isn't linear with W. How bright a lamp appears also depends on maximum voltage dropping across it and duty cycle.

3. It makes no sense to provide a fast controlling, in order to derive a feedback value for each 50Hz period. Time constant of controlling must at least be greater than the thermal time constant of your lamp, which is many many 50Hz periods. If you control faster, then due to the non linear characteristic of lamp and transformer you will result in very fast fluctuations and oscillations of brightness of lamp, with the consequence of repeatedly exceeding the rated maximum power of lamp and resulting in early damage of lamp.

4. Life time of lamp is mainly influenced by peak power than average power. Using a duty cycle control means that lamp will experience unsane peak power, which will heavily shorten life time of lamp!

Kai

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dc/ac square wave inverter            01/01/70 00:00      
   what do you drive with these square wave            01/01/70 00:00      
      i m driving ....            01/01/70 00:00      
         that will not do it            01/01/70 00:00      
   How?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sujjestions            01/01/70 00:00      
      for eric & gowrish            01/01/70 00:00      
         whatever micro said, I said            01/01/70 00:00      
         And me?            01/01/70 00:00      
            just pure square wave            01/01/70 00:00      
   any replies?            01/01/70 00:00      
      what about this:            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ringing...            01/01/70 00:00      
            very likely            01/01/70 00:00      
               Quick glance at scope            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thoughts...            01/01/70 00:00      
         very true kai            01/01/70 00:00      
            that is scary!            01/01/70 00:00      
               i dont understand mr eric            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what else is 'ur' ? It is not in my engl            01/01/70 00:00      
                     sorry for that            01/01/70 00:00      
            No varying load at additional winding!            01/01/70 00:00      
   so            01/01/70 00:00      
      again            01/01/70 00:00      
         so whom shall i follow now            01/01/70 00:00      
            not a "contradiction" just 2 possibiliti            01/01/70 00:00      
               one more thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Again            01/01/70 00:00      
                     but there is some thing....            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I am absolutely sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                           TO MR ERIC            01/01/70 00:00      
                              re TO MR ERIC and about know-how            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Kai, you missed [b] and [/b]            01/01/70 00:00      
                           More to know-how            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Are you sure?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I am sorry for my behaviour            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You are welcome            01/01/70 00:00      
   You NEED a scope!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      the blind leading the deaf            01/01/70 00:00      

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