| SPI ISP issues | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| SPI ISP issues - part 2 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| SPI ISP issues - part 3 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| plural | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Fora is certainly correct | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| no, it's not ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| great post! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I think the biggest problem is with the AT | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| maybe | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's not necessarily the product ... it's the docs | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| OK let them be so | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's true, they shouldn't be used by anyone. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What would you suggest to use? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Anything else at all would be fine ... even a PIC | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Whaaaat??? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ANYTHING but Atmel products! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Come on, Richard... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well, I, for one, agree with Richard | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Bullshit! Stating such is entirely ridiculous! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| how can a FACT be \\\'ridiculous\\\"? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's ridiculous, because you deduce... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| single event? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, and hundreds of events with Philips, | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a VERY high up 'idiot' | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Well, mine was a long series of events | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| there may be hope, sorry Kai | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It will be a WARM December day in Moscow | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| maybe someone found out | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The penalty isn't severe enough | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| blame the rest of the bunch | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Well, as I said, it's like U.S.-made cars | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If they'll do it to US, they'll do it to YOU! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Do you really think that others are better?? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| all comapanies have things to blame them for | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Indeed! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a maxim about maxim | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Once upon a time ... there were second sources ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't love Philips, either | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't 'love' any company, but I 'love' to work w | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Once upon a time there were FAE's who knew things. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| once upon a time ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, it\'s like the grocery store | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The biggest problem is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| do it - under my name | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| All right, here is it... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Kai .. we're not getting a bit sensitive here ? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| noooooo................ hmm, maybe a bit... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Why does this come up so frequently? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Because there is so much trash in the www! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Maybe we can provide a local "fix" for that | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Great idea, but... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the other side of the coin | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| A fool who trusts on phantasy programmers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Kai the issue is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Exactly! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Little Joe | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| did you not know | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| especially since he\'s been deceased for some time | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Lots of those "fantasy" programmers are for sale | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What a trash! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Oddly enough, similar circuits work for JTAG | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Driving cables is nasty!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| framkly, I wish eval-board makers would heed this | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Have you tested series termination? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| would be great, but | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Kai, I think that would be a WONDERFUL addition! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Well, what I am thinking ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yeah, but what's that to do with ISP? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| grits, yes, oatmeal, no | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Some of 'em will look, read, and do SOME work | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| and the winner is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| An alternative to Atmels ISP CABLE | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Profiting from highest noise margins | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| comparator | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not so well suited... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't understand. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Check the spec-sheets | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I am sorry... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| cables et al | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Cables... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| software | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ps | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| To be honest... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Atmel software... a piece of @%^& | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it's for amateurs | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ?? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not at all | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| dear amateurs, be realistic | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Erik, did you mean... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Why, oh, why | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| why, oh why | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not the issue | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| but you ARE professional!!!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| now, I'm going to upset Richard | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ICE? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| No success stories | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Exactly! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Grrrr! Well, maybe not this time ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it makes you wonder, doesn't it? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ATMEL cable with the HC | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| another idea | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| please, pretty please | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| there is no magic | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you said it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you got me wrong | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| do not blame me for what YOU said :) | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| teaching is hard | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| good analogy, the question is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| when I turned my back... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you forgot | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| filter | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| nope | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| upside-down | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| and the 3rd reader | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| he already did | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a good one | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| tell it beforehand | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The newbie SHALL try to build his stuff, but... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| allow a reply of \"you stupid idiot\" to anyone | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Will not do the trick, unfortunately | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| decoupling the LPT lines? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Low state noise margin... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| and with a Schottky? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| No, I wouldn't recommend this | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| www.reichelt.de | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Ok, to be more precisely... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| can you please draw it down? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Replace the 74VHC244 in the original circuit | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| How would a germanium work? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Could work! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| thanks, Kai! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Schottky diodes | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| to Schottky or not to Schottky :-) | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, but we must assume a minimum standard... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| shopping | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| My point is.. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| You can use an array | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Your search - 74S1023 - did not match any document | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| SN74S1053 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| OOPS! it is 74S1053 ... sorry! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the issues | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a most telling thread | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The root problem is that the first thing one needs | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| "dedicated programmer" | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what's difficult to understand ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Ok, how do you propose they program and erase the | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I would not be quite so sure about that | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Keep in mind that this is for newbies ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| but they still have to build it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Only because it looks simple does not mean... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| he's desperate | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| there are lots of circuits published like this! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I used to have memory mapped I/O in virtual | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I wouldn't say that ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| that threy learn to drive with a stick shift | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Once again, you are exaggerating ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the point I\'m trying to make (and believe that I | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, but in 101 you've got to use a '51 or '31 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| nonono | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Perhaps you\'re right, in this case ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't think so | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Ah but.. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| halelujah! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the problem with RD2 is... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what cost the most | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| cost | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| patience is what it takes | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| let's sort it out | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Richard, you aregue things that, while valuable , | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Its not the cables if you ask me. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| an interesting thought | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's probably not JUST this part ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not the cable alone | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it will, but | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It simply has to do with the numbers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| maybe not quite ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I was assuming... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a case like that ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I have | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Perhaps it's that the approach is wrong | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I guess I have seen those ... ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| fresh thoughts | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ??????????????? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I'm puzzled, too, Jan | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| 2 different things | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| au contraire | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| from the ISP point of view... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| if you have "no reset and oscillator" | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| sure | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Ok \"in-situ programming\" works but that is not ISP | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Does this scheme actually work reliably? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Guiness book? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| This all goes back to the "AT" in the part number | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Nothing magic with reset and oscillator | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I am talking about the rusty nail | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, here you are right! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| just helping | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| 200 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not quite, but I like the idea | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Exactly! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ... and that's why I advocate for the 8032 version | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Stuff it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| This will soon be moot | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Central Europe? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Mistake... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you think so, I do not | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Better hope... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| no love there | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Nothing is perfect... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| HUH | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| waitaminute | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| same desert | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it appears so | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| male cow manure | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Eprom programmers are cheap and simple | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Cheaper than a $25 Atmel cable ? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, and widely applicable, too | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| beware | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That's the usual line from an Asian vendor in U.S. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| fresh experience | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I am not going to vote 'off topic' but | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I am still just thinking aloud... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| just helping | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| 222 posts WOW!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| EEEK! Why would you get that close? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| post number 224 and counting | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Well, I\'m a dog person ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| 226 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| tie a brick around his neck | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| %$#@! it happened again! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Programming Dogs | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
230 tried it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
