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04/10/07 05:05
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#136889 - protection *scheme*?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I was under the impression that a couple of ticks in one's device programming software is about all what the manufacturers provide to protect a mcu, especially if it is the state-of-the-art AT89C2051... Is this what you are reffering to as "protection *scheme*"? :-)

Just a sidenote, our preferred device programmer's software has a quite useful concept of "projects", where all the setting regarding the chip (including the lockbits' setting, and also serialization setup and current status) are associated to the bin/hexfile and optionally locked (under password). After a certain point, the people from manufacturing dept. responsible for the device progeamming started to _demand_ that they are given projects rather than the plain bin/hexfiles...Also, some chips' manufacturers wisely store the lockbit etc. settings directly into the output bin/hexfile from the toolchain (PICs come into my mind, although I did not want to use them as a positive example... :-) ).

My point was, that the price of straight copying (and other similar immoral or illegal activities) shall be taken into account when setting up a sales strategy for a mcu-based product - yet this price is barely to be found (nor even hinted for) in the glossy material handed out at the shows. So, there is no point pretending that "it is illegal so it does not exist", and this is the right place to discuss it as openly as possible...

JW


List of 56 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
89C2051 unlocked and copied            01/01/70 00:00      
   You'll prolly find that the have set the security            01/01/70 00:00      
   CPU Compare            01/01/70 00:00      
   Unlock at89c2051            01/01/70 00:00      
      Proof            01/01/70 00:00      
   Close But Far Away            01/01/70 00:00      
      Several Steps for the Next Product            01/01/70 00:00      
         might I suggest...            01/01/70 00:00      
            anything else would be outright silly.            01/01/70 00:00      
         please explain            01/01/70 00:00      
            try this            01/01/70 00:00      
   an idea            01/01/70 00:00      
      I dont know how this is going.....            01/01/70 00:00      
         the cost of copying            01/01/70 00:00      
            It makes little sense ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Too optimistic ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            another way??            01/01/70 00:00      
            I beg to differ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               protection *scheme*?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I absolutely agree, Michael            01/01/70 00:00      
            COPYING YOUR PROGRAM...            01/01/70 00:00      
               OR            01/01/70 00:00      
      easily fixed with a soldering iron            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
   re:copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
      find out if you want to prove if the code is assem            01/01/70 00:00      
         Excellent point!            01/01/70 00:00      
      legit or not            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Re: Copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
         A guess            01/01/70 00:00      
   Are you sure            01/01/70 00:00      
      Am I a pirate?            01/01/70 00:00      
         In the US            01/01/70 00:00      
            I don't understand part            01/01/70 00:00      
               The story of Compac Computer.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  an example of legal reverse engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Would this be an example legal reverse engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I can't tell            01/01/70 00:00      
                           find out what the purpose of a patent is            01/01/70 00:00      
   You still did not answer question            01/01/70 00:00      
   Copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
      copying            01/01/70 00:00      
      You cant prove anything            01/01/70 00:00      
   copying products            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sad            01/01/70 00:00      
         but true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Copying From School Days            01/01/70 00:00      
            What they can do            01/01/70 00:00      
   Oops! See next message!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Style can help            01/01/70 00:00      
   There IS a way to survive            01/01/70 00:00      
      Support, support, support!            01/01/70 00:00      
         You're right, of course, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nothing more annoying ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, if this is the only "support" he gets from you...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, there is support and then there's handholding            01/01/70 00:00      

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